Well here we have the first real alternative in 20 odd years and what does he do, he comes out in support of gay marriage.

Can someone please tell him that ther are some very important issues on the table and gay marriage, however important it may be to the very very very slim majority, the average Joe doesn't give a toss.

This is one statement that may well come back to bite you.

rehctub....That's just it! All people are just as important as the majorities and the new evolved modern day human, wants his/her piece of the world view pie, so to speak.

Yes the battle between the old and new will not be over any-time soon.

Change must happen on regular basis, or the systems will fail and stall, then you will have angry protests to deal with.

Look on the bright side, AIDS only kills the stupid:) Think about.

CACTUS

Rechtub calm down mate!
He did not invent the idea, it has been true for century's that same sex partners live together.
I am not gay, do not seek the company of gays,but why are you concerned?
Really? why?
I think I know, why you are why I once was, we learned in Church!
Laws and such about religion came into being in the name of God, all of them.
Some telling us about the evils of such, we did not know then,at that time practiced homosexual acts them selves, and worse.
Why not let them wed.
Why do you want to look inside their bedrooms.
Our mums and dads may well have had sex standing on their heads, is/was it our right to say they could not

One thing however, no intent to discriminate.
I fear a few within such groups.
Increasingly, such as on nude Beach's
Insisting their rights
Including open daylight sex.
Over ride the rest of our rights.
Counter productive.
But let them wed.
We MUST tread on ice, this forum has lost funding because some thought their right to free speech overrides the forums right to exist.

Let them become a couple by all mens, but being wed is sacred and should stay that way.

However, this is not what the thread is about, what this is about is that people in office are entitled to thie opinion, however, this open opinion will not be well received by the masses.

Finally, I have no problems with gays ,It,s just the married word that I have a problem with, as it is taken.

A very dramatic headline. The only one i know to shoot themselves in the foot, every time he opens his mouth is you know who. I don't know if is worth the conversation, if that is what nature has handed them, you can't buck nature. The very air we breath has been compromised, Elnino is on it's way back, more frequent than ever. More floods drought and adverse weather. We have got plenty to look forward to. Let the wooly woofs sort them-selves out.

An opinion, whether its in fun or like some of you ( that think your running a country you don't have, or just some light observations, you don't have to look very far at people that shoot themselves in the foot.

Commentators of any type, even Governments that think their running things smoothly, will come under fire by those that don't possess the appropriate skills for that position.

"Finally, I have no problems with gays ,It,s just the married word that I have a problem with, as it is taken".....Is that a fact rehab:) its the old die-hard bigots and those that are frighten of change will air there watery opinions.

Harden the f... up!

Notice where all the bigotry comes from, that's right! country morons.

Had a nice day.

CACTUS

CACTUS, hit a nerve did I!

You don't have to tell me to harden up, I can assure you of that.

clubber cambell knows its a fed issue..NOT A STATE ISSUE..!

he plans to get in
but dont derserve to get in either
but blight neds to pull her head in

sure beje4lkie peterson left a laerge debt
but beatup beaty increased in then bligh increased it more

whiler giving away govt asset[provatisation or semi autonimous with public servants sitting on rich board seats

to where qld state debt now stands at 80 billion
needing 100 million a week JUST TO PAY INTREST

while govt mates sit on other board seats..built in the public purse
by treasonous bad public servants..lol getting huge pensions and board remunerations

we need a real choice
to disolve the 'other single house of govt

our debt for arrounf 3 million stands near to greeces debt
its only cause we cant complain in the streets..that the odious debts keep increasing

sack the lot of em
if gamble dont know..[and he might not]
i tried to tell the one he replaced...a few weeks before he got sacked]

if cambel shot ihis own foot
what did larratters party [nationally]..do
to the citizenry of the various fully indebited state hoods

look up odious debt
its criominal

then selling the state forrest for 800 million
when it at true values would have cleared the debt..[then at only 65 billion]

the lot of em are criminals

Marry me rechtub, marry me and make me happy.

Really, what a non issue.

There is no requirement for non gays to marry gay people is there?

Will you have to divorce your wife and marry a poof?

There is nothing 'sacred' that has not been designated that by a human.

Funny how 'sacred' never applies to anything touched by the economic sphere, meaning that absolutely anything can be done if it promises a profit, no matter what the cost to society overall.

Sacred! A made up word-concept to defend nonsense.

CACTUS, hit a nerve did I!

Only a small one:) Look, I have family members that are gay. Penny Wong is gay, and if all closet gays came out, you'll find that your milkman, teachers, blue-collar-workers, politicians, the paper-boy, your hair-dresser, and don't think you country boys are all solid...lol...ever hear of the movie call Broke Back Mountain:) yeah! some cowboys like pushing Sh!t up hill, but I know what your saying Rehab, its all right mate....there, there:)

Mate! its fine to come out now, this is the 21 century..lol

Jokes aside bud:) I know I don't need to tell you to Harden the f... up:) everyone here knows your a mans man:).....

CACTUS

My wifes hairdresser is gay, and the nicest bloke you ever want to meet; and ?. I think the under point is blatently obvious to the average moron [ in parliament too ] this country is being taken over by minority groups who cry 'descrimination' when they can't change anything they feel need changing to suit them. And your right, most people [ the majority !] don't give a tinkers curse if anyones gay or from the planet mars, just stop trying to shape the country to suit them and be cool.

I don't give a damn if they are stupid enough to want to get married or not. They'll, well many of them, find marriage is not all it's cracked up to be, particularly in the family court.

No that's not what I have against homosexuals, it's their hide in pinching a perfectly good, & in fact rather nice English word, & applying it to themselves.

Yes, I rather liked the word "GAY". A very descriptive & happy word, it did not deserve to be applied to this lot.

They had a perfectly good word, "poofter" which even somehow sounds like what it described. Something not quite right, but bearable. Gay is just not the right word for them.

They are not gay, in fact they are a miserable bunch, always bitching & complaining about something, & never happy.

Then some fool mentions Penny Wong, as if that makes being a homo a good thing. Hell, I reckon realising she's one, should drive most of them back straight. Add that twit Brown to the mix, & that should be enough to send the rest of them back into the closet. Judgement by association can be vicious.

Rehctub:

...Let the mighty Bob Katter pronounce on this one:

# The idea of same-sex marriage deserved to be ridiculed. #

Rechtub do me one favor ignore cactus 2 he/she has been here before.
You need not ask why, just look at his/her worship of a mug chopper Reeves, a sibling does that, and like chopper is a living fantasy a child's comic book.
Rechtub! do you see how many now wed in a registry office.
For the sake of honesty know Christianity has no right to be involved in writing our laws.
I will be best man if you take up the offer.
Rechtub, never forget the only thing a mug may beat you in is his fantasy mind.

Oh look! bellies helping out he,s bingo mates:) Isnt that nice....lol

CACTUS

Hasbeen...the sheep's answer to question no-one asked. Penny Wong is a human-being Mr Hasbeen ( love the name by the way:) and has the same rights as you. Now, religion tells us what to believe, bigots tell us act, and online opinion dinosaurs tell us their two cents worth.....well...its a good thing we can go and tell you what to go and do with yourselves, isn't it:)

And for anyone else of you that's not acquainted with the law:), discrimination is a very serious offence. If ten people gather with torches, its highly likely there a mob rule, and probably have pitch-forks and grow crops.

Again? Why are other peoples sex lives making you lot so uneasy?

Must be just the fact that religion still owns the rights to marry?

Cool! Take religion:), and your showing the true conservative nature of a time well passed:)

CACTUS

Cactus old chap, if you read my post carefully I think you will see it is Penny Wong the person, & minister I was having a go at, & not her sexuality. Her ability as a minister probably gives those of the same sexuality a bad name.

She must be the worst they have, & that's saying something.

Come to think of it, with Labors ability to pick dreadful leaders, may be she's next. God help us.

I must be a bit slow or just not getting it but
I don't understand what all this fuss is about.
The Liberal National Party Leader, Campbell Newman
has said that although he personally supported
allowing gay marriage HOWEVER, he would not be
pushing for changes to allow same-sex couples to
marry as there wasn't a "strong move" or "desire"
in the community to support change. He stressed
that there were "more important" problems needing
his attention.

Rehctub, to what are you objecting exactly?
Or is this thread just your way of making an
"anti gay" statement.

Aha, so Lexi, now we know what Cando actually said.

Another point, it's the ALP Treasurer who is promoting the change, not Cando, so why not lambast Fraser?

Now Peppers post has my thoughts all over it. Lexi, what answer your after, Iam in the same vote.

Again? Who gives a rats arse what these highly educated people do, that hold some of the very important positions in the community, compared to whats down the local pub:)( Where hasbeen might hang out:) and if someone was to insult me ( if I was GAY )....I would slap the bitch out of you:)

Again! Jokes aside, there are much more important issues than were one decides what to love.

Rehab....your an intelligent man sir, and I think you can find something better to do with your life:)

The motives that pollies have, well.... you know just too well:)

Maybe you can help an old fool like me to understand the complexities of the political mind.

CACTUS

Lexi, personal opinions an politics simply don't mix.

If you had read my posts you would see that, despite the fac that I have no time for them, I am not opposed to gays uniting, however, the married work is taken, so find another.

Alternatively, there are several countries that recognize gay marriage, so, go ther if you must, but please leave our plac alone.

We already suffer for no HO HO HO all because we take notice of these minority groups.

Never has the saying of the squeaky wheel gets the most oil, been so true.

Rehctub....you even left out some letters:) Good show old boy:)

CACTUS

Dear rehctub,

I don't know about squeaky wheels and oil.
However there's another saying - that
can match yours - something about
empty kettles making the most noise.

And what do you mean the word "marriage" is
taken. And here I thought "Love and Marriage
goes together like a horse and carriage."

Rehctub, do you honestly believe that personal opinions and politics don't mix? I know plenty of mindless drones who are incapable of forming opinions beyond the merits of XXXX and Tooheys, or the relative prettiness of different shoes. Frankly, I don't want those people running my state.

As for Mr Newman, if Lexi's summary is correct, he's stated his opinion and made it quite clear that he won't be acting on it because he doesn't see community support or interest. Sounds quite intelligent to me. As the government is currently making noises about gay marriage, it's only natural that he would be asked questions about it. What would you have him do - reply 'no comment' and allow the papers to suggest that he has something to hide?

I have my doubts about Newman, but I'm thankful that there's at least enough brain activity going on in his head for him to formulate an opinion.

Hi Lexi,

Surely you're too young to have ever travelled in a horse and carriage :)

In our democracy, there is a formal separation between church and state. Provided it is in accordance with the human rights laws of the state, getting married in a church is the business of a church. Getting married in a registry office is the businesss of an agency of the state. If we differentiate between 'marriages' sanctioned by churches, and 'civil unions' sanctioned by the state, then the focus of discussion should be on the recognition of same-sex civil unions to be sanctioned by the state. Three cheers for that.

With the proviso above, it is not the business of the state to dictate to churches what they do or don't recognise as 'marriage'. Vice versa, the recognition by the state of church-sanctioned marriages would also be an inappropriate blurring of the state-church boundary. It is not the business of the state to sanction whatever some religious body claims to be recognised or commanded by one of its gods.

But it IS the responsibility of the state to protect the rights of all citizens, to outlaw polygamy, to ensure that girls are not married off below a certain age, that there is some indication of consent, and that men and women have equal rights to marry, divorce and otherwise conduct their lives in accordance with human rights laws.

Joe

Hi Joe,

Yes I am too young for carriages but not for
horses. I've ridden them all my life and love
them dearly.

I fully agree with the separation of church and
state - but the reality is - they're quite firmly
linked in our society. And I suspect that's where
the problem comes in for same-sex couples.

Yes Lexi...Its called the moral stand for sense and tradition, which over-arches all other concerns, and squarely aims at the stability of society collectively!

Dear Diver Dan,

I'm not sure that I'd entirely agree with you
about sense and tradition. There are many
traditions that make no sense and some are
downright awful that we can certainly do without.
You'd have to be more specific.

You know, there is such a simple solution to all this and that is simply call it something other than marriage.

Problem completely solved and we can all get back to life as normal, what ever side of the fence you sit on.

As a suggestion, what about the word Hiched, or perhaps even registered.couple.

Just a thought.

Hay, how about we reverse this rubbish.

A law that makes it illegal for homosexuals to live together, unless they're married.

Now that should lead to some interesting arguments.

Why haven't we heard from our resident Bible bashers on the subject ? Aren't many professional Bible bashers batting for the other team ? Poor young Campbell can't win either way because it is a two-way argument which should not be used to deliberately interfere with his effort to become Premier of Queensland. This tactic exposes his opponents' contempt for the people who are doing it tough in this state.

Indi, the .ibs biggest threat is Bob Katter, because he is going to split the conservative vote.

We now have a three horse race, so the oases of labor not loosing badly enough have just been boosted by remarks like that of CN.

While there may be a growing acceptance of gay marriage, there are still a vast majority who oppose it and, within that are many who loth the thought and it is these who he will have offended.

It's a different ball game now as just 30 odd percent of the vote will win office.

This is why they should keep thier private opinions to themselves when it comes to sensitive issues like this.

One thing about it abbott wont be in favor, not even if labor gives them the vote in the next term.

579,
What will you lot do if by some miracle common sense makes a comeback ?