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Are democracy and monarchy compatible?

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Philo, Mate, I am aware of your advancing age, and Christian back ground.
Lets face it, I am no teenager.
I intend to take my brain to my grave.
To have an understanding that todays youth is no worse, maybe better than you and I in our youth.
That just as we oversaw change they too will.
ROYALISTS hide, like a kid up a tree, behind the view the sky will fall if we recognize this truth.
They are a stand alone entertainment, without power, other than the fortune they amassed from the British tax payer.
I researched the inbreeding of Royalty.
Will not bother posting, it gets a bit needlessly provocative, a lot is American far right.
But the trail, from tribalism, to chieftain to King is there.
Philip is 2nd or 3rd cousin to his wife.
Charles was distant cousin to his first, and second wife.
Camilla, his second wife is closely related to his son William!
Some Royal family died out, because they interbreed.
Some illnesses developed that lead to insanity.
Your need off your God, and a left over from our emergence from caves, a once strongest rules tribal leader/Royalty is excepted.
But have faith in humanity.
And reconsider your view.
Do you truly, in a world that see,s America/China/Russia/ stand we will fall if we except our Royal family is only a never ending showman's fairground stall.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 23 October 2011 4:20:49 AM
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belly..quote..""Your need of your God,""

mate there is no difference [apparently]
the queen claims to be the pope
claims a god given right

""and a left over
from our emergence from caves,""

again correct
when jesus came..it was to reveal
we dont need priests..we can communicate with the good god..one to one

""once strongest rules tribal leader/Royalty is excepted""

there are no exceptions
[to whom much is given
much more was only to be expected].

""But have faith in humanity.""

we got too many faulse gods
thgat seek to lord it over the 'faithfull'
instead of serving the de-serving

""And reconsider your view."'

why is one mans vieuw any better than any other mans vieuw?

who is to judge any more right than any other?

""Do you truely, in our world
see,s America/China/Russia/""

ie state's
arificial 'persons'
corperate dead fictions
lording it over the living

""stand""
while we stand under them
[ie while we fail..while we get austerity]

""we will fall
if we except our Royal family
is only a never ending showman's fairground stall.""

well ol mate
thats up to them isnt it?

they have been given too much
that one percent...must fall..before these
corperatised fictional states kill us all..

how to explain to you mr bell
that the crown..isnt the queen
its a corperate fiction..that facilitates
thieving the land and the wealth..from 'the people'

look at how much england has huge estates
with massive mansions...while your parents served the lord and master

how they can steal half your wages
yet you get exiled for stealing half a loaf of bread
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 23 October 2011 7:50:24 AM
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OUG I make no demands on you or your God.
Remember,as is not unusual in people who seek truth, I have followed other paths and once yours.
My travel on your road found it littered with body's of the truly lost.
And the truly using it as a fast path to wealth or status.
I found to the very good.
Mate, honest, IF you right now, could give me evidence God existed I could never return to his feet.
Heaven is here and now for me, happiness and pain, even fear but life is great.
I do not want to cut my country's ties with England.
Just change things a little, let them be there for us to beat in sports.
As a mate/cousin/brother but not Mother.
I am not blaspheming mate.
A heaven that asked me to sit at the feet of Jesus, his Dad, and not sneak out the back for a Bundy.
Not watch and remember as a nice woman pases by.
Mate a never ending life? of total boredom?
Story, true, midst my Christianity, but not unlike me always.
I gave and gave till it hurt.
Furnished a flat,top to bottom, a bloke in need, my brother in fact.
He sat with me at my Christmas table and thanked Jesus for my contribution to his happiness that year $6.000
He represents to me a Christian.
So forgive me but I can not return to your path,am happy to be me.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 23 October 2011 11:26:48 AM
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It seems to me that it is not important how good, or bad (or in between) the monarch and royal family can be.
I believe it is also not important how ancient and culturally traditional the monarchy is.
It seems to me that it is not important whether a monarch is a real ruler, or ruler with limited authority, or just historical and cultural symbol of a nation.
Yet, it is of crucial importance whether existence of monarchy contradicts to fundamental principles preached by a nation.
If we preach democracy and equality of all people in society, how can we accept and support that someone and someone's family are exceptional in comparison to any other people only because of particular rights received by birth?
My personal feeling is that, these days, it is shameful to be a monarch accepting exclusive rights over the rights of other people. However, it seems that these days monarchs do not share in this view, as no one of them has denounced monarchy and monarchical privileges.
Posted by Andreas Berg', Sunday, 23 October 2011 12:25:12 PM
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Dear Andreas,

I don't think that you're correct in what you're
telling us about the "Royals.".

The Queen has made it quite clear
in one of her speeches here in Australia quite
some time ago - that she
would remain our monarch only for as long as we
wanted her. That it was our decision regarding
that subject. I imagine the same would apply to the
people of the UK and the rest of the Commonwealth.
She'll stay for as long as people want her. She
took an oath of office to serve her people at
her coronoation and that's what she intends doing.
Up until we tell her we no longer want her.

It's no use blaming the royals for a decision that's
ours to make. If we want to be a Republic - we simply
have to vote on it. It's up to us. Blaming others for
what we currently have is making all of us appear
as failures.
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 23 October 2011 12:42:09 PM
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Dear Lexi,

Thank you for your message. I agree with you: it is finally up to our votes to decide on the destiny of monarchy in Australia.
However, to me, there is another problem.
I cannot understand those modern people (monarchs) who actually say: "Well, people want me to be above them, so, I will. I accept my own exclusivity because of my birth and I will keep it until I am forced (by voters, for example) to lose it". I believe, it is shameful these days to be above other people and to have privileges by birth.
If a monarch would denounce monarchy as a principle of modern society, it could be the best achievement of monarchical rule.
Posted by Andreas Berg', Sunday, 23 October 2011 1:17:33 PM
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