Thanks to the dodgy deals our PM has done, in her bid to win office at any cost, we are now stuck in a state of limbo, unable to achieve anything due mainly to the lack of confidence in the nations leader.

Blind Freddie knows that Kevin in the best leader labor has, but, madam PM now has two guns held to her head with regards to pokie reforms.

May I suggest that if Kevin wishes to run the country, perhaps he should switch sides.

Look out if Turnbull decides to have another crack.

Kevin in the best leader labor has
rehctub,
Labor can't be led because it is being led by half-baked academics with no concept of concept.

Abbott is the best thing labor has got, you know the bloke that can,t find his way to the tax forum.

Are you taking over from SM rehctub.

Julia Gillard's popularity has no doubt suffered because of the removal of Kevin Rudd as PM and the fact her leadership has had to deal with the effects of a hung parliament. It would be the same with the LNP. The Independents have publicly said Abbott was willing to do anything to get the top job. So what is the difference if it is the Libs or the Labs doing 'dodgy' deals? Why are they dodgy? Is it because you disagree with them? Would it still be a dodgy deal if it was the LNP dealing with the Greens and introducing a Carbon Tax. You are delusional if you think it would not have been on the table to win government.

The ALP made a mistake in being pressured by the Greens on the Carbon Tax and perhaps in not negotiating other climate change actions. That alone may have made a difference in the PM's standing. However I am yet to see a policy from the Liberal Party - why is the public so scorned by the Libs that we cannot be privy to the policies that will affect us? Is it secret? Why when questioned by the press do none of the Liberal leaders answer honestly about what they would do on certain policy issues.

The LNP have damaged attempts by government to reduce the burden on ordinary taxpayers by opposing the Super Profits Mining Tax. The scare mongering was typical but to be fair all of this may have been avoided better negotiating and consultation by the ALP prior to announcing the proposal. It does not excuse the response by the LNP.

As for Gillard versus Rudd, I can understand it from a perception POV however those who have met both leaders and who have had to deal with them in any capacity you might find a different set of opinions. Although it is one thing to oust and opposition leader, quite another to oust a PM. All round, despite my personal feelings, it was probably a mistake.

The ALP made a mistake
pelican,
correction-The ALP is a mistake.

Pelican In response to our post.

The dodgy deal is th one that she made with Andrew wilki and now rob oaks has joined in.

The reason for the latter is simply because he will never be voted in again so wants to make the most of it. There can be no other reason.

The fault with this deal is that less than 2% of the gamblers are problem gamblers, yet, they wish to chage the rules for all. Typical!

Now as for libs policies, they are not in government, so therefore they ar not obliged to offer any, but they will when an election is called.

In any case, who in their right mind would say anything when w have such an incompitent government. They will hang themselves, I just hope there is something left to salvage when they are done.

Mining tax.
I am not opposed to a tax on mining as they are our assetts.

Tax the minerals by all means, increase royalties, but don't tax the job creators as they are our life blood at present an, unless you are on a different planet, you would realize just how important they are to our economy.

If you increase costs of any business it is hard to recoup, however, increase the buy price of the goods (minerals) and it simply gets passed on easier by the end user.

Another option would be to place a levy on the exported minerals.

But I still feel th best option of all would be a transaction tax.

Silly of me.
But it would be interesting for the author to expand a bit.
Name the Dodgy deals explain the amount lost in detail.
Silly? yes because behind doubt, based only on the Authors extended post history.
His expertise is found in other areas.
Unfounded whining and such.

Happy to belly.

The dodgy deal was for the unreasonable pokie reform deal JG cut with Andrew wilki.

Now, because labor are stuck with her there is literally no way forward other than to keep floundering along until election time.

Both AW and rob oak have made that abundantly clear, why, because they know that any other labor leader would not punish 98% of the people just to help the out of control 2% who can't stop gambling.
G
A better approach would be to limit the machines. I also think that the plain wrapping for want of a better word has merit.

So, based on her short history and, her hands on involvement in most failed projects, remember, prior to kicking KR out, she was number two, which suggests she was privy to most of labor's agenda, which means consumer and business confidence, which is at an all time low, will continue to shut up shop until something is done.

The ironic part about this is that I warned you this woul happen and you simply shut me down.

So one can only assume the waste will continue, especially under th current leadership.

Does that put some light ont he subject for you?

OH Poker Machine deal!
Thank Gawd for that!
Thought you were on to us.
Feared you had the info on our Julia.
Settled a bit now, just between you and me, right?
Thought you had found out it was us.
Julia and Wayne, who bought about the Greece thing.
Portugal/Spain and Italy too!
Say how much have we been done over for by the poker machine thing?
before it pases Parliament?
Think it will?
Might just as well tell it all, she is behind the melting ice too.

Belly, you of all people should know what is going on in our own party.

Do you think we, and labor, can prosper with JG as thier leader?

If not, which I suspect will be you thoughts, if not our answer, hat then?

Pelican, I don't think JG,s popularity problems stem from her stabbing Kevin, evidence of such was displayed with the jump in the polls that labor enjoyed once KR was gone.

Her popularity took a dive mainly due to her lies and backflip on the carbon tax and her inability to deal with the boats.

Did you know that it is rumored that illegals get paid almost four times what our pensioners do.

This didn't happen prior to 07, did it!

But hey, as long as she remains in charge, I won't have to worry about labor for many years to follow, which will be a god send because trying to run a business under them is just to hard.

Imjust hope we don't get to far in debt to come back from.

Sarcasm, sorry I tend to use it.
Sometimes nothing else will get it done.
In a thread, like a sticky fly paper on a country veranda, bringing both supporters to paint even more horror story's.
And fools like me to defend.
I find, from all the claims given air here.
This Dodgy deal is.
The poker machine limit!
I Rechtub intend to do my bit for this country.
Not very well off now, a few things went wrong early in my retirement.
But I will pay the loss.
Only need my coin jar this time.
Lets see, not passed Parliament yet.
AH bit unsure but this look like the costs to you?
$o.oo .
Watch a bloke called the boss of the USA live early this morning.
He has a plan,to make jobs, tax the very rich! cheeky bugger! at the same rates as the rest of his country!
Wretched bloke!
Never mind his opposition is the very same as in our country!
NO NO NO , so just maybe, after the blindness to that they are doing, and its done, folk like you will understand.
You have been used, replacing Gillard, me too on that plan, BUT with Abbott?

Belly, rich people pay tax as well, it's just not in th form of PAYG.

They usually have deductions, such as interest on investment loans.

Comintators often paint a pretty picture just to sell a story.

They usually take ones gross income and suggest they should have paid full tax on that amount, but tax does not work that way. Unless you hav been ther you won't understand.

Taxing the rich.
Just remember, the rich, and that's not me by the way, already pay far more than their share.

They pay a % of thier wage in medicare, yet, they have to pay to see a doctor.

1% of $300K is more than on $60K.

They pay full freight on medical pills and such, yet single mothers get them for free, or next to it.

They also get zero welfare, which, by the way means there is more left for the welfare dependent.

So in essence, the rich do pay more, or at the very less take out less, the latter having the same net effect on the public purse.

If the government really wants to tax everyone fairly, introduce a transaction tax, as this will deliver a huge increase to the weekly pay packet, collect plenty of tax and do away with many other taxes. Also, the richer you are the more tax you will pay as tax will be a flat rate.

It's the amount of times ones money chafes hands that attracts the tax and that's huge.

We can't just blame Julia alone, she's only the accidental ringleader. The real problem is
the Acronym for Lost Academics Blowing Others' Revenue.

Yes indi, if they were company CEO,s, the ones most on this site treat with tall poppy attitudes, they would be long gone as th share holders decide.

Unlike what we have her, as the minority has voted fo labor and, if nKot for the deals don in desperatio, they to would be gone.

I'm afraid it could be a very long and nervous two years, powerless to do anything so long as these two ind hold a gun to labor's head.

Lack of confidence in our leader, leads to lack of confidence fo business, means lack of security for workers, who, at th end of th day, are the ones who keep the economy running.

Lack of confidence mean lack of spendin mean lack of investing.

One day they may listen to people who know, one day.

And belly, let me make it very clear to you once and for all, I am no fan of Abbot.

Without a formidable opposition, it is always going to be hard going, but even without any opposition debate ,we are doing very well. Our unemployment figures are excellent, The economy is moving along, while the rest of the world is in the doldrums. China is slowing, with inflation and wage growth, and the downturn in demand from western buyers.

Our unemployment figures are excellent,
579,
you think those on working for the dole would agree with that observation ? Or those with only 2 days work/week ?
To be deemed employed under those circumstances is one of the greatest insult you could throw at any citizen.

You seem to have statistics the rest of us don't. We are world leaders in economics. Your stand is political at any cost, just like;
China is only there because they are cheap, once that evens out, and so will manufacturing.

579 no way!
I never want to side with that other bloke.
But you are wrong, China will AWAYS have a wages costs lead on us.
The issue is far more complex than some think.
If today, China/Japan/ south Korea [and it will not happen] matched our costs, another south East Asian country would fill their place.
I will expand in a thread, if it gets a run, about the workplace and related things.

Your stand is political at any cost,
579,
political ? Well, of course or isn't the ALP in power anymore ?

579, you are so misguided by this governments perception that we are world leaders.

Take your own back yard for example.

You go out there and weed the garden, but you don't get the roots out, then six weeks latter your back out there doing the same thing again.

Wel, that just what this government has done, they have stuffed up so many projects that they have actually created employment by fixing stuff ups.

Trying to stimulate an economy is a good move, knowing ones boundaries is the key.

Had they sought the services of an expert, chances are we would not be in the mess we are,and, believe me, despite what you are reading, we are in very poor shape, cause mining is th Only thing that is keeping us there and, that is 99% reliant n the rest of th world, as they are our customers.

Now the disgacful part is they have done this Tim and time again. That is simply inexcusable.

What governments should do is stop wasting money, stop supporting outsiders and subsidize wages so we can try to get manufacturing, retial and torisum back on track.

As I say, I don't have a problem with people wanting better wages, my problem is expecting struggling businesses to pay them.

Our money is there to help us first, end of story.

Business leaders simply will not take the risk anymore as IR laws are to restrictive.

Even the mining industry is starting to question th crap they hav to deal with.

Constant safety inductions is one such cost.

Get this. They ar about to start mulching old winrows at my block an, they need to employ the services of a spotter catcher incase any wildlife is disturbed.

I am afraid our priorities ar all screwed up and it is costing us dearly.

BTW indi, one hour per week is considered employed. It's also illegal, but that's the stats.