Dear Lexi,
Isn't it a tragic thing when ambition is so obviously unmatched by ability?

Dear Antiseptic,

You'd know more about that subject than
any one else on this forum. It's your area
of expertise as your posts clearly indicate.
But never mind - you can always learn and improve.

Antiseptic,

Seems to me we have lost track as to the question you posed in the original post.

What would I do?

Damned if I know actually as my reactions have been very different every time I have found myself in a position where my well being was at risk or I was in a life threatening situation.

No matter what, viewed in hindsight, that is assuming of course you have that opportunity, the story invariably changes from Fact to Folklore with the passage of time.

I have never been known to let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

Take it easy

SD

Why thank you very much sir.

I was wondering if a 1st class male passenger would have offered a 2nd or 3rd class woman a seat or if this gender thing only worked if the males and females were of the same class.

“The meme you refer to is very different and is counter-productive. It exists solely to justify special treatment for political-class women and is based on a false dichotomy. It can't last, despite the support of the Mrs Grundys.”

What? And which evolved over thousands of years and what in the last 40? I missed the whole point of the thread again didn’t I...

Jewely, the 2nd class men stood aside for the 3rd class women. Some misguided members of the crew prevented 2nd and 3rd class passengers getting up to 1st class, meaning some 1st class men got off and some boats left only partially filled.

The meme of "man as protector" is the one that's been around for years. The one of man as misogynist abuser has only been invented recently. Women and children first has been a standard cry for a very long time. It only seems to break down when everybody is scrambling to stay alive with no time to think much about the finer things.

While some men may be violent toward women, I know that the best possible friend such a woman could have is another man. There are very few men who would stand around watching a woman get hurt, although I suspect in today's world the expectation that there would be some official response might stay some people's hands.

But don't worry, that wasn't really the point of the thread. It was just meant to be a little thought experiment.

Shaggy, the best yarns shave the edges of truthfulness in my experience. I don't think it's too healthy to believe your own yarns though.

What would the modern reponse be to a similar Titanic situation. Would there still be the residual expectations of women and children first or in the age of equality would it be children first then parents then perhaps drawing straws or a lottery?

What do you think would be the appropriate response Anti?

There are some good points in among this topic including the fact that feminism has become a tool of capitalism in some ways in pushing the productivity/growth trends as well as the mind numbingly 'working families' meme of the 2007 election. (I had to look meme up so now have to use it somehow)

Anti you really have to accept that women do not think of men as brutalisers. Some men do abuse women but give us some credit as to being able to discern the difference between an individual's actions and men as a whole species.