Fester,
You said. "The current policy does no more than kill desperate people".

Agreed, but drop the word desperate. These illegals are not that desperate. They have the money and the means to fly to Malaysia, with either valid or fake documents, illegally enter Indonesia, then pay smugglers far more than an air fare to get to Australia. Their goal is economic, to obtain the good life and they lie, cheat and bribe to get that. They do not care about cheating us or bypassing others waiting patiently for a place.

Those in camps like in Africa, Burma and Malaysis are the desperate ones.

Belly,

There are ways to get around the high court decision for Nauru (PS Nehru was a Indian prime minister) such as intercepting the boats and taking the asylum seekers directly to Nauru. And introducing TPVs will prevent unaccompanied children being able to bring their parents, etc.

Juliar needs the legislative changes more than the coalition. After slagging off the pacific solution, all labor has is a monster stuff up.

If there was any doubt as to Labor's position this is it:

http://www.news.com.au/national/labor-admits-its-clueless-on-new-asylum-legislation/story-e6frfkw9-1226136709536

What does Juliar want Tony to agree to? She doesn't even know, just wants a blank Cheque.

Banjo

I dont see the motivation of the boat people to be of much relevance. What annoys me is government policy rewarding their life risking behaviour.

To give an analogy, imagine a cesspit of 100,000 people, all desperate to get to Australia. If they wait, it might take them ten years to get asylum. But if they can get across a tightrope suspended over a fatal fall onto jagged rocks, asylum is immediate and almost certain. Belly and SM are arguing about what to do with all the tightrope walkers, some are in favour of having a few guys with pointy sticks at the end to provide further discouragement, and many doubt their authenticity. But how many would walk the tightrope if there were no advantage in it?

Fester,

That was precisely what the pacific solution was about, and it was an overwhelming success.

By comparison, in the first 3 weeks from when the Malaysian solution was announced, 2x as many people arrived as in the worst year of the pacific solution.

OK you blokes gather around.
I am on the trade union official stump.
We need to talk.
First rule, yes I know you know it.
Tell me what you think, not what you think I want to hear.
Friday, Melbourne about 5 PM Abbott sits down to get our best legal advice.
Hey blue, sit SM down! he is interfering with the meeting.
That advice is that we can no longer send refugees offshore.
Not to Nehru, not Manus, not Malaysia.
No SM!, ok lets hear him out.
Stop laughing you blokes!
The issue is this.
We can not send them any place, more will come,what do we do.
SM says nah nah nah, not sure what that means but how about we change the law?
What say we tell the courts/lawyers/greens/refugee advocates GOVERNMENTS both sides, now and forever make the rules not them.
OK you blokes no point carrying on, SM last remark finished the meeting, STOP LAUGHING!
SM says voting with the greens is the answer!
While you are all so happy get your wallets out we need to put a few bob in the kids with cancer fund.