If you had to make the spit level discussion.......what would it consist of?

Your first point of order...

Your second point of order and so on....

Now As leader......the rules are, your adviser can only tell you what to say to a POINT, but you can only make a ruling BY the rulings of the law. (and anyone can piggy back your friends, for their own political greed.

This is a nobility test...plus and not real:)......just give a.....what if:)

Cactus

cack/quote..""If you had to make the spit level discussion
.......what would it consist of?""

two people..[or more]
talking past each other

each chosing to remain ignorant
by talking..when they should be..hearing each other

""just give a.....what if:)""

just did
cant you listen?

there is no what if..
if..the mind is numb

OUG...The fun and real life it seems, that our Government leaders cant simply run a country for the life of them and I just thought the members here on OLO seems to more understanding than the one,s we trust.

But what is that word TRUST? To me, the gov just seem to buttering their own bread, and living the FUN life at our exspence.

In REAL LIFE, more and more people out-side our Government.....are the only one,s that's having a serious go at putting AUST in the black.

Iam telling you, Iam starting to loose faith in democracy.

What seems to be intelligents.....is nothing more than a bunch of jokers getting fat, while the rest of us here, can come up with better answers to the BIGGER questions.

China must be laughing their heads off, while they stock-pile all they can get their hands on. I think we better start learning the language.

I would like to see some heat put on them, before its too late.

cactus

as you ask a serious question
i will try to apply a serious reply

government trust
is the very basis of the right to rule
all govt is by its form..a corrperation..of which the people collect the dividend...[to wit..personal safety peace and govt protections]..

govt has betrayed their sacred trust
by virtue of it serving more..the corperations
that it has given legal identity to...[a corperation is essentially NOT living..not flesh and blood..it CANT talk..and BY law,..cant be hurt;killed..like we living/flesh/blood can be hurt and die

mainly because a corperation
of truth has never been born

its certificate of foundation..does not entitle 'it'
to a share of govt safety/peace..protection as such

but by cleverly...subverting the purpose and reason..of the forming of the state..[trust][to wit the corperate trust]..we call austrlia
they have not only betrayed the lettter of the legal law
but the highest moral laws as well.

know that we as benifitiaries of the trust
vote.to elect the trustees that run the common wealth[trust]
on behalf of the trustees[us]..we are the flesh blood and spirit
that gives the state its 'life'

but im getting carried away
i have tried to explain it to often
most recently here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12516&page=0

but clearly..that im trying to say
dosnt get through to the very people[the very trust]..that has been grossly and treasonously betrayed..

but thank god..the high court
knows..what i was trying to say
and its more to them..to whom i spoke

people dont need to know..how govt gets to lord it over them
[by us [collectivly]..being legal imbisiles]
[that's a proper legal term]

anyhow good luck
with your discussion

Yes OUG, and the mindless masses, and I know just what your referring to. A famous visionary in the seventies arena once said " if you cant baffle them with brilliance", and the rest is self explainable.

Oh well, maybe a life on unemployment benefits wont be that bad:) The new Australian,s are the unfortunate ones, and just maybe, the next gen 20 years from now, they just might forgive us.

Thanks.

Cactus.

dont let it get you down bro
i found great consolation in seeing life as a game

have fun with it
we are spirits allowed to have a life experience
its not a life sentance[unless you take the game seriously]

we all die in the end mate
so why try to be the first or last
just enjoy that you know..some truths
and be gratefull your not asked to assume more responsability

those poor sukkers are risking their very souls
they in their ignorances dont know how much they stand to loose

but think mate
you cant take your riches or your debts with you

all that counts is what you chose to do to make things better
[or worse]..then in the next life...big karmic comeback]

and there is a next life
[energy cant be created nor destroyed
that life energy you emit..or attract..follows you
[haunts you or lifts you up for eternity]

thats why its easier to have trust
why loving god is as easy as loving neighbour

that we do to the least
we unkowingly do to the one..sustaining us all..our very life

life mate ..just live it in love
every little bit of hate hurts

toss away fear/hope
know we are dreaming
so learn about vivid dreaming

dont chose
to live the nightmare..of guilt blame shame

people love to be..with happy people..
that is a rule in this realm
and the next

cheers mate

Fun in Australia ? yeah mate, let's get pi$$ed ! Do a few wheelies & burnouts. Drag race etc & to to top it all we'll march in a pro Carbon Tax Rally.

Indy....lol...you should go and have a look at The body count thread, its a cracker:) Now you don't really think Australian,s in general are remotely close to your description, do ya?

That would be very UN-Australian cobber:)

cactus.

Indy/OUG.....Iam more compelling when the facts spell what fills the air here in Australia. Question is/throwing out the wild card...Should Aust just sit tight and do its own thing, as Peter Costello suggested and let the world burn its self out? Like the story of Easter Island, I fear its dawning here right now.

Tell me its not?

cactus

Like the story of Easter Island,
Cactus,
Looks as though Easter Island had a socialist system too. And, just like Australia it must have had a pseudo democracy as well.

""Should Aust just sit tight and do its own thing,""
australia..is a dead corperation
for 'it' to do its own thing...is to do nothing

the trustees of this corperation are trying to do too much
trying to please others..trying top please their mates
trying to think of ever more clever ways to hurt/control and tax their trust into early graves

we are taxed 9% of our wages to support sharemarket ponzie scemes into some obsure furture carrot..but as fast aas we pump our wages into the pyramid sceme...other corperations suck it out again

[so govts cure
up it to 12%]

lol

the excuse is govts of the future cant afford to pay us pensions
[yet is subsidising future pensions as well as paying the old obligations today..lol

its [phycotic...in the main because our trustees have betrayed serving the living..and become sevants of dead corperate intrests

simularilly we have the raping of our minerals and resources
in the maion by forgeign controled corperate entities[85% of mining proffits go overseas]

""as Peter Costello suggested"'
and just like juliar and keating planned
just like juliar and wayne tosser are doing today
think of the billions we pay each week for subsidisation of corperations that own big pharma

or the 12 billion we give to big petro
we are paying wages tax cause we dont know wages ISNT income
[income is money made by no value adding]
like them multinationalists reaping in our mineral wealth and services industries

but heck imbisiles are running the trust
specialists specialise in colluding treason
former lawyers make new laws..former lawyers judge new laws
and the people get sukked dry

""let the world burn its self out?""

mate then we are as bad as them
[the highest form of enlightenment
is that we awake in others..[carl yung]

""Easter Island,
I fear its dawning here right now.""

not yet..it reaches its peak on or before jesus
'claytons birth date'..next year

Individual: “Like the story of Easter Island”

We should race for eggs to see who is in charge of a dying island rapidly running out of all resources that does not understand the world around it? Yes I agree, it makes more sense and is more honest than the current system.

Cactus what are you saying, or more importantly, where has what you are saying come from?

I true, am trying to behave myself.
Why let it get to me?
Read this thread twice to day.
Still baffled but left in silence.
Visited the atheist one, only for the second time.
Cactus old son, you swore defamed, gee bet GY did not see that.
No need for it, but no good me preaching either.
Some have sound reason for changing the name they log in with, I support them.
Others? its the post content! not name that should change.
This thread? ever swam in a muddy country dam?
One that has very steep sides?
Jumping in is easy, but getting out?
Trying to understand you mate is like that damn dam!
Every time I try to get out I slip back in.

belly your more cyptic than usual

""I true, am trying to behave myself.
Why let it get to me?""

mate just be you
we love you being you

""Read this thread twice to day.
Still baffled but left in silence.""

mate like i said on that other thread
if life gives you lemons/make lemonaide

""Visited the atheist one,
only for the second time.""

you should say something mate
[im out of posts on it]

im waiting to say this..on it*

part 2..""darn two hours till i cxan post

lets get it back to
the smallest visable divisable

all 'matter'..is made from atoms/electrons protons etc

to wit magnetic like attraction
or energy in form and FUN-ction

you replie.."Yes, but
please show evidence for your claim
that this electricity is an image.""

it has both form..*and function
it is even percievable here...by heat imaging
and at cerns...and ibm..and electron microscopes

a russion dude even claims
to be able to photograph aural immages

but regardless..its ALL energy..in a collective stasis
that creates its form and function..yet is basicly energy
[ie has mass...recall e=mc2?]

[ok i disagree that e=mc2 is clever
but its accepted science..lol

{energy equals mass
times the speed of light
times the speed of light..scienctific gibberish..
BUT accepted science fact..[by you and yer mates..indesputably]

[hence science rule one..
[energy cant be created NOR destroyed]

mate ITS A RULE/..a law of science
[you know..'true' science..ie not evolving theory]

[me].."your whole body..'works'..
because all this..*electicity..[energy/mass]"

you..""Our whole body,
and everything is energy."'

[in form/function]..

yes basicly..we agree

""Electricity is just one form of energy.""

form is a fuction OF electicity like attractions
[form as mass and function]..but
yes i agree

but think this further my brrrrother
an atom...with its protons neutrons electrons etc
must*..have an electrical sig-nature..

to wit EVEN at the atomic level
the quadrillions of bits..of energy..as mass
IN YOUR FORM/function..have an elec-trick type sig-nature

my comment here..continue's
got..a lot to cover

anyhow mr bell
i think were getting to the cryptic bit
but lets finish with that other post/quote

just in case

""""our bones too.""
are formed of atoms/electrons..protons etc
all acting within their basic form/fun-ction

It works because..THE INDIVIDUAL BASIC BITS
that make up everything..bone/our blood,flesh..flowers meat..* everything...has mass thus is potentially and primarilly form/function

...that base form/function /utility
CANNOT BE DESTROYED..nor created
cause its unseen AFFECT..survives in its basics [form and fuction]

from dirt we came
to the dust we return

i claim it does
Yet you claim it dont.

Where is your evidence?
that mass dont mean potential enrgy

that form dont determine function
you built your faith/lessness..on shakey ground
but mate we..were all children...weak in our faithlessness

till we got enough real facts
to sort the spin from the lies and distill that

the truth
lies somewhere in between
all that smoke and flame bluster and namecalling

form/function you are
that form and fuction is basic energy
that is in the end only you""

so will post that
later on it

here is the bit that worries me

""Some have sound reason
for changing the name they log in with,..I support them.""

well mate i dont
[maybe its fair enough if they got a life suspention..
but mate what you trying to say?

any proof?
of what?

darn post number limit reached
split the post

continues

word limit[sorry]

continue

""Others? its the post content!
not name that should change.""

again mate cryptic
what you saying?

""This thread?
ever swam in a muddy country dam?
One that has very steep sides?
Jumping in is easy, but getting out?""

again mate..huh?

""Trying to understand you mate is like that damn dam!""

belly..!
do you think cactus is me
[there i said it]

mate..i looked at his first posts too
and i thought who is parroting..MY OLD STYLE

and like you wonderd why..who

comeon mate
we dont need to pretend
im me..me alone..i dont need to pretend..!

your you mate
heck i could tell your TRUE words ABNYWHERE*

then you go cryptic AGAIN
""Every time I try to get out I slip back in.""

i have ben suspended as you know many times
BUT ALLWAYS USED MY OWN ONE CONSISTANT NAME*

allways
im proud of the gibberish i managed to post

im me mate
just me
[if thats what your hinting of]

OUG not talking about you bloke
You have indeed always been you.
Some we both know Had to change, things happen.
But my inference is one charges often, after annoying too many.
Rough nut that I am a find no reason to swear in print.
And find some do very often.
It leaves reason to question their ability to debate and think.
I do not want to be part of one group seeking loyalty in its confrontation with another.
My side of that thread needs no companion ship from anyone.

ok belly...thanks for that
anyhow regarding the 'other' topic
mate we all need to talk with peers[equals]
if we feel the whole world is against us..we all can say silly things

i dont like to drive people away
and thank god..that people banned have comeback eventually

[and a big person will forgive
and get over past misstakes of others

this holding of grudges..or fixating on past glories..or whatever..its best to judge upon what is being said now..
not what we may have been..thought to be saying
..in days gone by]

many people change over time
and if in our opinion ..its better or worse
thats only our opinion...[and as this is an opinon forum
we ALL must be allowed the free expression of our OPINION

we could be like other sites
that dont allow any OTHER opinion
but i left them sites long ago..so to have many of us

so if any wish to change
they should be allowed to for whatever reasons they wish

i personally like catus..and respect
the extra stuff he brings inmto our mind..simply by fearlessly allowing him self to be himself..just as we love you being you

life is about growth
we each have grown..so why shouldnt others
life could be about fun..with each of us sharing lifes learnings

olo mate is helping to change the world for the better
mainly because we arnt afraid to post what we really think

i just had another topic refused
[an open letter to obama]
but its much easier..to loose a topic..than loose my id
or hgave my voice censored for a few months..or whatever

olo needs all of us to survive

as i told grayham..each post gets say 10 visits
which pays the bills...and if you disagree..or agree

thats an extra..ten PAID..visits..
to keep this best forum on line..going

anyhow cheers bloke
know i loves u

the forum..sure wouldnt be the same..without u

Well to ease your minds, Ive never been banned. Belly I change my handle when the post count gets to 400 or so. Why do I hear you saying?, cause its easier to recover information from the post history, and it takes OUG to point it out:) Oh dear:) Annoying you say, sometimes but so are you at times.

Whether what I type makes sence to you or not, that's not my problem.

( if you cant read the message, then maybe the message is not for you )

Bring truth and reality into this very corrupt world, can only reenforce our faith that someone is willing to take the risks, and stand up for those voices that most cant do themselves, and you know yourself belly that corruption is wide spread and you see it every day. So don't bullsh! me. Wikileaks. Now there's a man to admire and not a yellow-bellied reptile that does nothing but knows all that's going on in the world, and does little to expose the true criminals.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikileaks.org%2F&rct=j&q=willkeleak&ei=OfZqTsrfKoefiAfJlIXIBA&usg=AFQjCNE9ZQktTx8CpGOHtXmvocqvTHv2GA&cad=rja

cactus