The age old question. What came first. The chicken or the egg. I think we humans will never know. I believe the universe has always been here and its also a never ending story of create and destroy. Just take the god way out and save yourselves a headache. Just kidding. My thoughts on this are, when stars die or goes super-nova, black holes are formed. I believe that these black holes will all join up over a set time, growing larger as more as more matter gets pulled in and then, the dense gravity with-in starts to pull more matter back in again, and once its consumed all it can, the monster black-hole compresses everything its eaten until the laws of space and time etc....Then the singularity reaches a critical point, "THEN! *BANG*! and it all starts again.

Its been doing this for all time.

See! No GOD need for the cock-tail of everything and life its self.

Cactus:)

Squeers

For someone who claims not to read my posts, you have set very firm judgements about me and others who merely disagree with some of your points.

Interesting if a little disappointing.

Oh come on, I post a link to something that the discussion reminds me of and the religionists jump all up and down about evidence.

But what evidence do they have for their claims?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Total, unadulterated, hypocrites.

To be asked after pointing out the elements come from the furnaces of stars "How did so much oxygen finish up on the Earth from the super heated mass of exploding stars?" just shows the absolute ignorance of even what is being argued.

Look at them all flapping their arms 'Don't look here! don't look here! I will divert attention from my absent god by asking others to prove scientific claims!!'

Bait and switch, why? because they have nothing. Notice not one will present the evidence for their claims.

Well, why couldn't it have been super magical super leprechauns that created everything? It's just as sensical as the religionists claims! lol

Quite simple, woot.

>>Well, why couldn't it have been super magical super leprechauns that created everything?<<

They'd be far too out-of-it on Guinness and poteen to design anything as remotely logical, structured and predictable as our planet, let alone our universe.

Oh, wait...

lol Pericles :) I am weighing up the possibilities.

There is also Pikkiwoki the Papua New Guinea mud god, and he is offering a pig and all the coconuts I can carry. Pretty tempting. Now you have thrown Guinness in the pot (or is that pint?).

Anyway, should I go with the idea that there could be a naturalistic explanation for everything? That it could be a simplistic process rather than an even more complex thing that caused the universe?

Or do I go with the idea that it is a magic man that also loves each and every one of us, including the 35,000 children under 5 he lets starve to death every day, based on 2000 year old bronze age fable from desert nomads, that builds upon stone age myth?

Gee, tough decision. I'm interested in the evidence of this magical man, considering the claimed properties are logical paradoxes. To actually believe in this thing will take some sort of evidence that it is even possible. Till then I don't believe in it, I can't make myself believe, therefore atheist.

Quite simple really. I don't quite understand how religionists find that so confronting.

It is interesting that Paul1405 initially posted about the 2012 Global Atheist Convention – ‘A Celebration of Reason’ event to let others know who may be interested to attend.

I have no idea who Paul1405 is but I do thank him for his contribution.

Since then, ideological conspiracies and dangers, abortion, and an assortment of non-compos mentis posts and such like, and it is difficult to tell the difference in some instances, have dominated this page.

No one is forcing anybody to attend. It is a freewill choice.

This is going to be the largest gathering of Freethinkers the world has ever witnessed. Just having the Four Horsemen together at one time on a stage had taken considerable effort to arrange. It will most likely never happen again.

The convention is an amalgamation of atheistic thought in a very pleasant and friendly atmosphere accompanied by fine cuisine.

If you wish to find out about atheism in today’s world and have a great time in doing so, there would be no better place to be.

http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/

David