Eclipse Now

I wish you the best on your working future. I agree that it is not difficult to follow the warming trend over the past 20 or even 150 years in which NASA, NOAA, CSIRO and many other climate monitoring facilities concur.

However, I am frankly appalled that the CEO of OLO finds it necessary to deliberately misspell your moniker as "Eclipsed". So infantile is this behaviour that I know trying to reason with people who indulge in such pettiness, is to fall victim to Einstein's wonderful point regarding insanity:

" Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "

I applaud you for remaining courteous and calm throughout this thread.

Climate scientists have tested their theories over and over and unfortunately have not had different results. If only we could continue to decimate our bio-systems, plunder all our mineral wealth and belch pollution into the atmosphere with impunity. Such are the beliefs of the wilfully ignorant.

I am emailing this post to some of my fellow OLO posters, in case this post is claimed to be something other than what it is and deleted.

Dear Eclipse and Ammonite,

From the lay person's experience it doesn't take
climate change specialists to convince people
that climate is changing. One just has to look
at one's own life-time to see that changes have
occurred.

In my own lifetime in the city where I live there's
been tremendous changes. I remember in my chilhood
heavy downpours throughout winter, freezing nights,
and occasionally snow in the nearby mountains. The
summers were unbearably hotand extremely humid.

In winter puddles of water were frozen to solid ice
and even outside taps were frozen solid. In summer it
was so hot that construction workers could fry their
eggs on the hot pavement.

Today, all that is only memory. And the climate is far
more pleasant and comfortable. We no longer have the
extremes. Along the coastline some of our favourite
beaches have disappeared. And flooding appears to be
more frequent.

In the Pacific many of the islands that we liked to visit
are now slowly sinking under the waves. And on the mainland
our favourite fishing lakes are now cow pastures.

And if you talk to mother nature - she's certainly getting
very confused - in the middle of winter - the trees think
it's spring and are flowering in full bloom. And in the
mountains the snow line is receding. Which to my way of
thinking - the climate appears to be getting warmer.
Of course there could be another explanation - that
planet earth is slowly being sucked into the sun's
gravitational pull. (I've heard that explanation from
some sources)

You don't have to ask a climate specialists - just ask people
who do look outside their windows and venture into the wide
world - is climate really changing - or is it just a
political ploy?

Come on people - write about your own experiences with the
climatic conditions.

yes lexie
corrrr it aint half hot mate

average temp has gone up half a degree
using the spins own numbers

now is this warming c02
or methane
or nitrouse oxide

or that other greenhouse gas
used to 'clean' solar cells

if you can prove the cause is one case
whats causing it in truth...[yes we know polution is bad]
but this new tax isnt going to fix ANYTHING

sowhy tax c02?
cause were not miners
were NOT farmers

were not the BIG poluters
we just give carbon credits to the rich
to gamble their price UP by market forces

your dreaming girl
there might be hot flushes for you soon
that should warm things up?
even more

Dear Johan (OUG),

Wouldn't it be lovely to have a clean energy future
though?

I know I'm dreaming - but gosh - we need to
dream; soaring imagination is the glue that keeps our
soul from shattering under the impact of a prosaic
world. But dreaming can be a tricky business and, if
we're not careful, can disappear altogether from our
lives.

Can you remember when you were a kid and you'd lie in
the grass on your back and watch the clouds roll by
above you and you'd dream of what you were going to
be when you grew up?

Well, what happened?

lexie quote..."Wouldn't it be lovely
to have a clean energy future""

yes
it would be great
if i could eat meat that didnt have to die
but the sad truth is someone needs to get dirty hands

but there is no excuse for deciete
facts are facts...[and 7 meter sea rises
and 2 degree temp changes are spin..and lets egsamin 'clean energy'

how did that go in japan?
all that 'clean energy'
that wasnt actually that clean

or how about night time solar
or windfree wind power
yea that would be great
BUT*...is it realistic?

""I know I'm dreaming""
no lexie your not dreaming
im having a nightmare..as will we all if youtr current dream comes true

""but gosh -we need to
dream; soaring imagination
is the glue that keeps our
soul from shattering""'

oh lexi i cant argue with facts like that

""under the impact of a prosaic
world...But dreaming can be a tricky business"""

oh good i can see your pretty feet comming back down to earth
[i would love to be one of those 'lovers'..of 'everything'
but..

recall you said this

""Can you remember when you were a kid
and you'd lie in..the grass on your back
and watch the clouds roll by
above you..'

....''and you'd dream..of what you were going to
be when you grew up?""

yeah mu thumb
blocked out the light/heat of the sun

BUT

i grew up
was forced to look at the truth

and stand against spin..[or even poetic turns of phrase]
learned about buzz words and special adgendas...learned that people will say anything...do anything..just to win a word game

or get a govt grant
or make others fel guilty
or steal others cash..to give to 'others'

this place is hell
where the difference betwen words of truth
and words of spin are hard to tell

thus jesus said..
know them by what they do
not by what they say

""and,..if
we're not careful",
[the child in us all]..
"can disappear altogether from our lives.""

and there we are
older/wiser..then some person says
your guilty of destroying the earth...buy a ccarbon polution perrmit

OE ELSE..!
we will call yoiu clever names
hollow cost deneyer...[or how did that mp
put it at the doorstop this morning..[oh..next we
[them]/me..will be deneying we walked on the moon]..

well we didnt
if anything a few might have
but hubble that can see back to the 'end of time'
YET..cant show us the proof..that mankind actually...did

plus..[they lost all their photo's and proofs]..lol

funny bout that..
im not suprised