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BTW: He called our PM (and a few others) using a
derogatory term - which lowered the
standard of this forum.
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You think labeling them snake oil peddlers more insulting than being labeled a denier, extremist or that untruth, climate change skeptic? Your very own lying PM's words I might add!

Perhaps you should send her a letter stating your displeasure of her lowering the standards of this country!

And I didn't want to get involved with Graham's defense of Murry Salby, but he's absolutely 100% correct in what he's said. I'm sick and tired of the left slandering good people because they have a differing opinion. Look in your own backyard before you go slandering others!

RM,

A few corrections:

1) I'm actually not a "leftist."
I'm not even sure what that means.

2) Julia Gillard is not "My" Prime
Minister.

3) I have never made any derogatory
comments about you or your political
leanings. And you have no right to make
them about me.

4) Using terms like "snake-oil peddlers,"
and "Nuff said," in reference to
our PM and others, is politicising
this debate and very much lowering the standard of
this discussion.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/blogs/the-dreyfus-files/liberals-carbon-confusion-20110803-1ibbs.html
Raw Mustard good morning.
I enter this link to , well take the heat out of the environment we find our selves in, this thread.
If it in quoting past quotes from your best leader *post* Sir Robert, as opposed to your worse ever Abbott, forgive me.
My regards.

Hi GY,

Your reference to Trolls on this thread was timely. James Delingpole has just published the “Troll spotters Guide” in the UK. Well worth keeping a copy for reference, Informative and absolutely hilarious.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100099194/seven-types-of-troll-a-spotters-guide/

@ GrahamY
<<The fact is that far more money is spent by people and organisations trying to prove that global warming is happening, than is spent trying to show that some parts of the IPCC story are wrong. There is no money being spent, that I have ever heard of, trying to prove that global warming isn't happening. Everyone accepts it is warmer now than it was 100 years ago.>>
This sounds just like Creationists demanding that Creationism be taught alongside Evolution in American classrooms! Let's try again.

EVERY government cent spent on global warming research could potentially disprove warming, from those who study how bugs and insects and birds are responding to earlier seasons to those who study spectrometry, atmospheric physics, and clouds. Why? Because this is how the peer-reviewed scientific mechanism works.

If you just turned off all the thermometers and atmospheric models and spectrometers and ignored what we know from the raw physics of climate change, the BIOLOGISTS tell us the planet is warming. There are apparently 29,000 species and reports of species and data sets about biological life ALREADY responding to earlier springs and later winters.
http://tinyurl.com/42vftzz

The empirical evidence is compelling. "The truth will out!" Conspiracies collapse, and you haven't answered why you believe the entire planet's National Academies of Science are all in on the conspiracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Your whining about funding is exactly like the Creationists arguing that long ago, in some dark corner of scientific ignorance, a data entry or meme set itself up and perpetuated throughout all the scientific disciplines. You can't just shrug off every National Academy of Science by whining about 'too much funding.' If anything, excessive funding should put your mind to rest and assure you that the empirical method has been over and over and over all the data, that we KNOW what is happening as best we can.

You are not arguing for science to be funded, but for ignorance, just like the Creationists.

This is a sorry little thread.

Linking to genuine science sites, peopled by real climatologists was a complete waste of time.

Rather, deniers (they are not skeptics in the true sense) seek to prove a single issue (in this case there is no AGW), fossicking among various sites that support their carefully worded Google searches and then claim - "See my 'facts' trump your facts".

Meanwhile, we drain the last of our fossil resources, create new damage and pollution via the desperation of fraccing farmland, the pollution of our water systems continues along with the industrial haze spreading across cities, third world countries continue to be exploited if they have any remaining resource or either thrown enough money to prop up corrupt governments or ignored completely.

However, watching the lengths that people will go to using faux or cherry-picked evidence in order to place the entire mess of our making into the too hard basket is reprehensible.

We are all responsible, some just don't want to admit it and believe that the earth is some kind of magic pudding.

Bazz posted this entertaining Youtube, outlining the whole damn mess we have created, on another thread, it deserves viewing here also. I am aware that it will be ignored by those who cannot even bother reading up on what NASA or the CSIRO have to say (being the source of the science) but I will keep trying. Maybe someone will take time to think rather than bolster their political ideology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQqDS9wGsxQ&feature=youtu.be

The issues facing us are more than whether you believe the climate is changing or not. Either way we need to take action, sooner rather than when it is too late.