*Actually, the greed or competition factor is not just human nature, it is a fundamental ecological principle inherent in all species.*

Exactly. Humans evolved to have a slightly larger brain and a
vocal tract which lets us communicate far better then species
which don't have them. They are our evolutionary niche, so to speak.
That lets us invent interersting new things, combine our intelligence
through communication etc, but clearly we arn't evolved far enough
to use those skills wisely. So eventually the species is bound to
crash, its just a question of when.

*Let's be clear. BHP does not give a flying duck about Australia.*

BHP is nothing but a paper entity and paper does not think or feel.
But BHP does have half a million Australian shareholders and huge
numbers of employees, all who contribute to the wellbeing of our
country. It is also Australia's largest taxpayer. BHP's role is
to be an efficient miner, nothing more, nothing less.

Kerryanne, I briefly respond to your previous post directed to me. You have attached a link to website and required me to comment on it. It takes time I do not necessarily have so much. I have mispelled Yabby's name ? Yabby, please accept me appologies. I happens writing on my smartphone :-( (BTW Kerryannne I am Rob not Ron. I guess you also wrote this post on the smartphone? )

In relation to your link to a website, a few comments so far.

What do I think about import tariffs ? In general, the government should be able to oversee the export / import issues and has a mechanism to control the local economy.

A totolly free trade without any barriers leads to unsustainable practices with all socio- environmental and economic impacts. The only winners are multinational corporations. A proper public benefit test and a broad public discussion is required to assess the the extent of trade tarriffs. The only exception is when free trade is between countries having a similar level of economic development, for example within EU, between U.S. and Canada or Aus and NZ.

The role of government should not be, however, only limited to controlling international trade and protecting borders. On-going privatisation of critical government services related to education, justice system, water, security, etc. needs also to prevented. Yes, totally prevented. If allowed even partly, greedy corporations will do everything they can to get the whole lot and they will soon. The private sector with its greed will never interested in doing something sustainably, with a reasonable profit to serve the community along with the shareholders so the future is grim if we continue privatisation. Forget about the regional development.

On other hands, there is always a concern for Australia not to become second Cuba or North Korea. Japan mentioned on this website sounds a little bit better to me.i

Rob Canoe

In that case pls accept my sincere apology. I thought you were another
Veggie- long story.

I dont have time to respond right now- working but i will do asap and look forward to it.

Yabby,

You write "BHP is nothing but a paper entity and paper does not think or feel. But BHP does have half a million Australian shareholders and huge numbers of employees, all who contribute to the wellbeing of our country."

Corporations have been created and are managed by people. In their actions, CEOs and directors are often more important than shareholders, specifically non-strategic investors. There have been many reports worldwide about CEO's or directors receiving huge bonuses even if their stock was going down. In the U.S. it has even happened in the Wall Street banks after the bailout at the taxpayer expence. There are many reasons for the inevitable U.S. default, but the corporate greed prevails. Plutocracy replaces democracy. If they were only paper entities and the government agencies enforced the corporate law, we would not have such problems. Unfortunately, they are selfish and greedy HUMANS.

Corporate law is not always easy or wanted to be enforced and we have all used to put up with the corporate fraud for the sake of our jobs or superannuation payouts. Also, environmental law has also been softened in Australia over the recent years to facilitate unconstrained development and jobs. In the context of this discussion, it seems that we have become very innovative in finding excuses to ignore climate changes.

We have all become greedy, but corporations are much greedier. The social polarisation will then continue. When social injustices and climate changes progress we will probably all wake up. At that time, it will, however, be too late. We must change ourselves and change our political reps before we reach the point of no return

That is alright Kerryanne. I am looking forward to your comments on the political manifesto on the www.oziz4oziz.com

Rob Canoe,

If you read - all there. Trouble is unless public get behind it( & even if they do) we dont have a party with the balls to do it. I think we need to make a start first.

1. plan- Introduce a policy through immigration. Migrants are coming here anyway so we need to use the opportunity to get our regional areas going again.

2 There are many country towns available we can set up market gardens for vegetables etc crops. Also establish more abattoirs. That is to provide producers with added markets so they are not solely dependent on live exports.

3 We have seen mining companies buying up country towns- so we put it on the government to do likewise for migrants. It would be more sensible to use our tax payers $ to do that instead of paying 5* accom

4 Because the are so slow & slack we will probably have to do it through private tender.

to start-

Firstly anything to do with food and Halal accreditation ( because they get big $ for it) needs to be monitored and shared.

Many Islamic councils are making big $ out of what they call Halal accreditation's. ALL of this goes back to their Islamic councils. As well Aussies are paying a double whammy because it puts the price of food up again here. This is a much bigger problem than most know.

We should pay the *producers of the stock or crops that % to be an accredited farm& put it back into Australia- just charge a yearly registration fee. So Aussie farmers producers get the $ instead of off shore accreditation authority - or even only Aussie Islamic councils.

This will give the *farmers more incentive to deal with locals. By doing that we bring jobs and people into the regional areas.

From there- small goods outlets- fish farming where applicable cosmetics(non animal tested) others.

One big problem in Australia is our farmers were left behind in this global world trade. They trusted an industry whose vetted interests were *not in Australia.

TBC