BP & Shell were happy with the rebate Scheme speaking of corporate deals.

BP were warned. They are negligent . The environment and fish- wild life will suffer for many years to come as well as the fisherman and towns. Its not something that folk shrug off as BP stuffed up.

Some are removed from any emotional or moral sense of responsibility within themselves- Aren’t they.

Dear All,

It seems that we have agreed that the government has a leading role in instituting a policy to reduce greenhouse emissions. Private sector pushes for continuous growth and without proper regulatory constrains it is unlikely to change soon.

The corporate self-regulation or co-regulation is rather unlikely. The notion of sustainability has been long forgotten and the corporate world considers the economic bottom line as the only objective. Their renewable energy initiatives seem to be too little or they might too late if left only to the market forces. Media often promulgate misinformation and public awareness about consequences of inaction is generally low.

The IPCC “Special Report on Renewable Energy Sources and Climate Change Mitigation” (approved in May 2011) provides a guidance what will happen if the government inertia continues. The most optimistic from the Report’s four scenarios suggests that 77 percent of the world‘s energy demand might be from renewables by 2050; the most pessimistic only 15 percent ! The latter is generally based on the industry self-regulation. I do not want to speculate about consequences thereof, but there are likely to be 4-6 degrees deg C by the end of century …

The role of government is then again evident. With the deregulation process, the government’s importance has, however, declined over years. Furthermore, the corporate financial support to governments continues to influence policy development. From our discussion I can not still conclude what we could do to reverse it in the years to come?

Rob Canoe

>> From our discussion I can not still conclude what we could do to reverse it in the years to come? <<

As reintroducing government regulation, greater emphasis on cooperation between the private and government sector is generally promoted by media as a 'communist plot', a 'Greens plot', a 'one world government plot' etc I don't see any solution any time soon. We know what needs to be done but corporate greed and government self-interest (remaining in power - satire on Tony Abbott http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2784702.html) continues to hold sway.

The best we have seen is, as Poirot pointed out, is the BP logo shaped like a flower - how cruelly ironic.

FWIW Rob, the answer will most likely come from corporations and
silicon valley entrepreneurs, who these days are combining megadollars
and some the the world's best brains and science and throwing both
at the energy question. They are far more likely to discover some
holy grail of energy then any Govt.

But the energy debate is a two sided coin. If humans discover the
holy grail of energy, they will use it to justify increasing the
global population to 15 or 20 billion. Eventually at some point,
the whole lot will crash, because people insist on learning the
hard way.

But see it this way. Before the discovery of oil and its uses,
people lived quite contentedly on a few acre blocks, grew some
vegies, fruit trees, ran some chooks and the odd cow. Life was
based around the village, not the mega city. When energy becomes
scarce once again, most likely exactly the same thing will apply.
So be it. I quite like the lifestyle

I find myself in the usual position of agreeing with Yabby.
Unless we address world population we are kidding ourselves.

>> Hacked back to 23 July posted by Rob Canoe,



*Halal, Kosher or organic food accreditation, it does not matter.*

.* Hope it is not based on the gulag model from the ex-Soviet Union ?



RC I agree with Col -you who come preaching with love and concern for the plant yet bi- pass comments made in regards to poor Indonesian families – and Yabby’s comments on the 800 cattle at the university.

Two words come to mind- insular and obtuse.

I allowed you to dismiss my comments about the areas to get people out of the city. You said it was off topic- you’re kidding-
but I let you get away with that as rude as you were.

- what was it you said- Yes here it is-

* Hope it is not based on the gulag model from the ex-Soviet Union ?

This is my protect in real life- how rude!That was way out of line because unlike you its work i am actually doing it – to make a difference – not just posting in cyber space,.

*Halal, Kosher or organic food accreditation, it does not matter.*

Oh really, what planet are you on? Are you unaware of the inquiry into live exports + media releases we have 15 abattoirs in Australia performing ritual slaughter. So it doesn’t matter to you huh.

And this when i suggested more people in regional areas to assist with over crowed cities-

* Hope it is not based on the gulag model from the ex-Soviet Union*

Culturally attractive? I ask you again what does that mean?

The moral of the story is RC you get to be rude to me > once< but not dismissive of the struggling Indonesian farmers and suffering animals.

So pls go ahead and save the planet from global warming—what a joke! Tell me something dear, how are we going to achieve a target if we don’t have a population target.

Rob Canoe,

Actually,

Do not bother replying- some things speak for themselves.