Robert,
Thanks for putting up those links.

It certainly shows that Lexi and Ammonite have selective memories.

What about Pauline Hanson being heckled, abused and even attacked. How they forget that, not me. All the violent demos have been by socialists and greens, but apparently that is OK.

Ammonite still tries to link Aus with the sinking of the siev X. Facts are blatantly disregarded by the left.

I like Morgan claiming that posters should be nicer to each other. He has called me many names over the time. His usual modis operandi was to attack the poster, with whom he disagreed, with claims of racist a xenophobia, to start with.

@Banjo:

There are some people who are capable of self-reflection, learning and personal growth, even at a quite advanced age. They are the people with whom it is possible to have constructive debates, even when they disagree.

On the other hand, there are other people who are impervious to logic and reason, who will never change their deeply ingrained attitudes, despite having been confronted numerous times with evidence and logical argument that shows that they are wrong. They are the people with whom it is impossible to have a civil debate, and it's just a waste of time talking to them.

Which kind do you think you are?

Banjo "All the violent demos have been by socialists and greens, but apparently that is OK.", if my recollections of Gough being egged are correct that was not socialists or green's. WA farmers from memory.

My impression is that the green's as an Australian political entity are pretty strong on the peacefull (even if disruptive) protests. Not saying that individuals won't go in a different direction but I don't recall any reason to characterise the movement that way.

Thankfully Australia rarely see's violent political protest, there have been instances but they don't represent the norm.

Again to make it clear my point in this thread is that I don't think that either side has a monopoly on any of the behaviours that seem to be the core of most of the criticism of Abbott.

As a strategy it may backfire for him eventually but while Julia and team are putting so many off side it's possibly a winner.

R0bert

Funnily enough I have nothing against Julia personally, but right now
she is going on radio, openly telling porkies.

Her claim just today, that farmers would be compensated by consumers,
is either a massive porky or her "modelling" is not worth the
paper its written on.

Fact is that the majority of farm produce is exported and overseas
consumers are not going to compensate farmers for anything.

So I think its quite reasonable to point out that she is telling
porkies. What major exporters are pointing out is that this
carbon tax is just another nail in the coffin of major efficient
export industries. Next the punters will be saying that they want jobs. Duh.

Dear Banjo,

I don't have a selective memory. I don't deliberately select things
to remember (or forget). However I can put my hand on my heart
and say that I honestly do not recall the viciousness of the behaviour that I witness from the Opposition during the "Question
Time" sessions in Parliament, or the rudeness, interjections, and
carrying on. BTW - I lived overseas during the Whitlam era - so
I wasn't able to witness what went on during that time. It's today's
behaviour that concerns me greatly - especially from a party leader
that seems to have nothing much to offer himself. What a sad situation
this has turned out to be.
Surely this can't be as good as it gets - or the best of what's on offer in Australia.

Hi Lexi,
You are quite right about Tony Abbott, his and other's vitriolic attack on our current PM Julia (for those who cannot spell it properly (ie Juliar).
I posted earlier that the Liberal Party used to be dignified, but since John Howard left (although I didn't like him), the Libs have turned in to an uncontrollable rabble......may they continue with it.....the more they behave like juveniles, the longer the Labor party will stay.
I always was a Liberal supporter, but I look at Abbott and wonder what I was thinking to maybe support them this time, I am glad that I voted for the Labor Party. Oh! and before the professional detractors speak, I will remind them that it is my right to choose whomever I vote for without the crassness of the wannabe armchair politicians (that seem to frequent this forum.) trying to shoot Labor supporters constantly for their choice of Political parties.
NSB