lexie..QUOTE..""back to religion
because that is,..theoretically, where to find Him.""

lexie..the theory is missleading
peoples main comforts..is in its companionship
its best achievement..is preserving the words of its many mess-angers

those who leave...in the main leave..because they expected too much from a material institution..[or rather xtians..doing un/christ-ian ]things..

as jesus put it
'honouring god with their lips'
ie not their works

jesus pointed out that 'who shall lead you..WILL serve you"
[will be a good tree..that bears many good fruits]

recall the parable of the unfaithfull/servant
some we saved[the gift]..and saved many others
one burried his 'being saved'..and saved only himself

think...about his teachings
not stoning an adulteror..by writing in the dirt
'thou shalt not kill''...

or the insanity of those claiming to be his own..
yet..drinking his blood...eating his flesh...
and putting gods son..BEFORE GOD

""an interest in actually having a religious experience.""

life..*is this experience
[think...know..science cant make life
life can only come from life]

yes science has decieved recently that IT*..'made' life
but check that claim..thety scoopped the dna..OUT of..a LIVING cell
inserted a shiort string of dna...and the bateria lives]

that only proves..one..they first needed gods bacteria
and two that life is REALLY amasing..cause it not only STILL lives

without its dna...
it actualy replicates the fake..dna as well

your religious experience is realisation
that you live...that life lives
because good[god lives]

and we got no clue...as to how come
nor how he did it..but got the best minds testing THEORES*

till them..KNOW...god dont judge
till we give up ..judging others...

BY judging others
we push ourselves AWAY from GOOD

he lets us
because he knows

we all 'get it'..in the end*

[ie be humble...]
faith charity love[grace mercy]

ie

[give back to god..
that only god can give..:life
life sustained by the light into love
via logic grace m3rcy..generosity..deeds works]

..i agree...
""organised religion will not be the same.""

we can only hope..
or we can take is as a given
and love this oppertuinity..to help others

[trusting god created us
clever enough to resist the ignorant..
who think to take god..out of the picture COMPLETLY..with theories that conflict the science/fact..and give theory like evolution..*as fact]

""It will have to step up to bat""
your doing just fine,...

try to think..who needs you to feel guilt...
who seks to lord it over you..via your guilt/fear..hopelessness?

""or it will wither away."'

god dont make rules..!
men do..[assume this or that is a law
a constant..yet the only constant..is god sustained life
right up to when you began living..you passed it on
he sustains us ALL..each our every breath
sustains our heart to beat every heart

[as long as life...'lives'..
then we know god lives
but not how]

""Organised religious institutions hopefully
are in for a huge transformation,""

again i agree

but recall they are being attacked materially
as well as spiritually...from outside and within
this prevents them..from thinking of others...

as well as casting doudt..about the deeds of SOME
which dont serve good [of god]..with good fruit
[but recall..tares and wheat..TILL harvest]

ie dont judge them
they will in time reveal[judge]..themselves
by their FRUIT..ie their deeds..their works reveal what they are

and there is no shame
no guilt...no blame

god made EACH of us to tell the full story

think is the story [education]..complets by removing the truth
[it cant be the WHOLE* truth...couldnt wouldnt be holy

""people have become genuinely religious
in spite of them.""-selves?

no they dont
if we dont want to know..
then god gives us a different 'body'
and lo we dont even think of it..[how deep is a bacteria's mind]
can it write shhhakespear?..never that needs a human incarnation

we as human
as at the highest evolution
we each earned EVERY STEP...have now reached the peak
chose what we next become..[before god just gave us bodies to suit our natures]

[recall that king that grazed 8 years..as a beast of the field...
or eve's talking serphant?]..

mate thats re=incarnation
giving each as they wish

hell is hell..because not everyone
*wants to be 'in' heaven

thus they CHOSE to reject the light...
CHOSE to live in hell

rejecting the goods of love and light..
ALLOWED to chose to love hate
allowed to be a beast

its about freewill
god dont use force/threat or fear..etc

its no use telling them hell's horrors..isnt real
that only good..from god is real
cause they think[wrongly]
or nat at all*

why does god *allow evil...
or why dont god fix it
cause adults chose what they need

se the fear/lies..thats clearly not good
nor is the delusion of the life giver judging others
or that god will judge them...

when thats all demonic in-spirated..
or simoply born of ignorance/fear

if its lot love/grace/mercy
if its NOT fully good
its not of* god..

meaning we chose
to make..that wrong..fear
*seem real..

seem important..
seem all powerfull

chose to hang on-to past hurt...
chose to hate/fear..
*chose...greed...
*chose..envey
etc

instead..*chose to see god [good]..in every living thing
because just in living...loving..'other'..
you are getting the real deal...

[loving god..
by loving neighbour]

your allready there dear

Dear OUG, (Johan),

Beautifully expressed as always. Thank You.
You write from the heart.

I realise that religious institutions, as such, are not the only
arbiters of religious experience. They are consultants and frameworks, but they are not God Himself. As I've quoted in the past,
we should not confuse the path with the destination.

Mr Twackum, a character in Henry Fielding's novel, "Tom Jones," declares, "When I mention religion, I mean the Christian religion; and not only the Christian religion, but the Protestant relgion; and not only the Protestant religion, but the Church of England." Most people are like Mr Twackum when they mention religion, they have their own in mind.

Whatever our religious beliefs may be, we usually learn them from other people through socialisation into a particular faith. The religious conivctions that anyone holds are therefore influenced by the historical and social context in which that person happens to live. I am not concerned with the truth or falsity of any religion and I have no wish to investigate the supernatural or to play umpire between competing faiths. Some members are convinced that theirs is the one true faith and that all others are misguided, superstitious, even wicked. I'm not one of those people. I believe what I believe, and I respect the right of others to do the same (as long as it does no harm to anyone else).

cont'd...

cont'd ...

It was Emile Durkheim, one of the first sociologists who studied religion who believed that the origins of religion were social, not supernatural. He pointed out that, whatever their source, the rituals enacted in any religion enhanced the solidarity of the community as well as its faith. Religious rituals such as baptism, bar mitzvah, weddings, Sabbath services, Christmas mass, and funerals. Rituals like these serve to bring people together, to remind them of their common membership; to reaffirm their traditional values; to maintain prohibitions and taboos; to offer comfort in times of crisis; and in general to help transmit the cultural heritage from one generation to the next.

In fact Durkheim argued, shared religious beliefs and the rituals that go with them are so important that every society needs a religion, or at least some belief system that serves the same functions.

i envey how you and our others
know all these names...and remember what they said

i was born an evolutionist
my dad said he read the whole book three times
said i didnt need to know anything to do with 'relgeon'
[so i rejected god religeon..and digested the facts..'science']

by a combination of events...i was led to read the darn book
[ie was told to swear on the king james bible in court]
then while in jail had to read the darn book

[i loved reading..but found i needed to read it
the same way as i read the science texts

[ie looking up every darn word i couldnt 'get']
[as in visualising words..as a true 'thing'..[noun]
naming thing..plus its role purpose/function [adjective's]

just like i read darwin and levies the pigeon
just as i read oliver wendel[mendaklism]..j

just like i learned species then genus then families in science
testing/tasting..selecting that good true..from that untrue or even a lie..

but i digress,,you said..QUOTE..'"that the origins of religion were social,not supernatural...the rituals enacted in any religion enhanced the solidarity of the community as well as its faith.""

yes
making faith by FEAR*
must also be included

""Religious rituals such as baptism,bar mitzvah,
weddings,Sabbath services,Christmas mass,and funerals.""

again yes
see how jesus condemmed ritual..!
ritual is the reasoning..behind sitting those who couldnt eat
oppisite each other..[so they watched each other follow the rite
of handwashing before eating]

ie the teaching isnt that a few fish
can fed 4/5 thousand..but that EVEN..with the messiah
they couldnt break the materialistic rituals of the high priests

sadly..his followers didnt know of the handwash ritual
[as witnessed by the eating of the shew bread[with unclean hands]

see humans think we are dirty
spirits say we stink

[the holy men clearly picked up on the stink think
and thought washing your hands..makes us clean]

ie holy clean like the messengers/angels
they smell so good

thus the baptism..
and burning of smelly incence
to cover over the huh-man...*stink..

trying their best to be true
lived into the mess-age
they lived in

continud