Well maybe, as strange as some would find it such and action would lift ALP polling by near ten points.
Why.
Well lets step lightly around the truth, Gillard has failed.
She, or some one close to her, Crean? Fitzgibbon? it could even be the lady herself, but she has much baggage.
Actions aimed at being popular,like the very fast and not thought out one on live exports, always do more harm than good.
Continuing to remind us ,truth too, the ALP must reform.
She has no regard for rank and file concerns.
As many hangers on,and groups remote from issues condemn those who built the party to the side lines.
And of most concern? ALP front and back bench focused on the fact we have a dysfunctional opposition , ignore the fact we are in the middle of a muddy patch waking in circles and telling the world we are better than them, leading with our chin not brains Julia has no chance, none of ever surviving.
But we freeze, believe we are going to win a lottery we do not even have a ticket in.
A new leader can, mostly rightly, blame her promise better dump some killing policy's be accountable.
Rudd may not be the answer, not if most put self in front of party,But only Gillards Friend Mark Latham did more damage.
Is it the job of a member of this government, product of a party many worked hard for, to be stunned like a rabbits in the headlights .
Or just maybe, party first?
27% primary vote, Hi Kevin my name is Belly are you here to help me?
History may remember these days as my party's failure to be brave ,to remove our heads from the sand and say those magic words. party first.

I think you're right, Belly. While I was never a great Rudd fan, Labor could do a whole lot worse than reinstating him. Who knows, the experience of being dumped might have taught him a thing or two about the perils of political hubris.

the experience of being dumped might have taught him a thing or two
morganzola,
Don't you people ever wake up ? He is an academic who will never understand no matter what you throw at him. Haven't you got any sympathy for the plight of many constituents ? We need a sober manager at the top not someone drunk on self importance. Isn't it time you gave the future of the country some thought ?

belly rudd...as pm isnt going to happen
[kevin is happy doing the globetrotting..its what is in his heart

if the libs assurd him he would be the next foreign minester..he would become more invisable]...locally..not globally..

he isnt comming back
he was saked cause of the carbon tax thing
isnt going to return..to push it through...juliar made her own bed

in fact labour fell right into johnny howhards TRAP
[the tax on carbon was HIS IDEA...he HAND PICKED mr fannelry
to deliver the report..HE WANTED*]

and simple bribes
and accesss the govt metings and greatings
have ensured the rest...[its about taking 30 pieces of silver mate]

and stabbing a mate in the back
its only..'espri de' core'..rudds loyalty to party
that he dont tear that bottle red ...fffff/ranga into little bits

mate he is angry
really angry..at juliar
but has the grace to forgive her
but not save her and her supporters from THEIR OWN FOLLY

as you know belly
those who lead..need to keep the appearance of honour

and juliar and her party powerMEN..dont
got that..and cant afford the price of bying it
by doing it by egsample...

they are prepared to lie/distort/ommit/spin
do ANYTHING..as long as their mates get back in

and the librattters..and greenie ratters
and independant ratters...all are willing to do the same

corrupt big business..only does work...
with other big traiters

the real question is who is paying what party how much
and how much govt gave back to them...in peoples tax money

im reliably asured a mINIMUM return
for a public donation is 100 to one

give them 1000..you get back 100.000..AT LEAST

just look at those who paid 600 bucks to acces the free solarcells
now getting pay checks of 500 a quater

and using more power than ever
making power in the day
ABusing it at night

the nanny state will fall
[look at greece]..then next year the eu

politricks...peeeeuew
it stinks...

Individual, I have no intention to be rude to you.
But not a bit from avoiding the truth.
In not one statement or post from you EVER, have I seen any thing to convince me you are a person to admire or follow based on your ability to think
Some very Good conservative posters can be found here, I find their comments interesting.
Yours often just a poorly put together insult are much less than reasonable.
To my ALP fellow travelers ,the anti Conservative posters here is my view of the truth.
It is in my view true we have never had a worse opposition.
And yes, even with the mounting blunders Labor has better policy's, SOME TIMES, we however seem focused on how bad Abbott is, not remembering, not caring, some need to be told in depth, just what we are doing and why.
WHY can ABC to Australian reporters make political statements in the form of questions and not BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ON AIR
I will give a question right now,in this form, that should be standard
To,reporter*Your question appears to be your opinion in the form of a question is this a question or your opinion*
Labor, in shear fear, waited till the last second to remove Rudd, we have Shorten Combet, Rudd a few more, why wait.
For my childhood a hungry hardship filled one I Had often, pumpkin and spuds for tea the skins for breakfast and the ALP and a belly full of hope for every day.
No splits no new ALP no defectors no bending to the greens Labor returned after 23 years on the back of following the voters not yuppie fools not changeling Gillard
Bill Shorten , now mate NOW or never my party must think of those we are insulting.
Tell me I am wrong but spare me the lie Gillard and her flock Lathamites, killed Kim and now the silly woman has her hands on my party's throat.
If we go down because we lack guts we we will damage our party of our rank and file.

Belly you're kidding yourself mate.

You may want to think the opposition is incompetent, but even with a fifth column, headed by Turnbull in their ranks, they are running rings around your lot.

Although many Labor supporters may accept Rudd back, to get rid of Julia, the general public would never let him back into the lodge.

I'm not too sure either, but I think perhaps the general Ozzie has finally woken up to spin, & are growing tired of being conned. Labor is going to have to go back to telling it how it is, to regain some credibility. I don't think either Julia or Ruddy could ever stop the spin. They probably believe it themselves by now.

You got rid of a drop kick, at least from the top job, you should have finished him. His fifth column in Labor is even worse than Turnbull's is for the Libs, as the media trot him out more regularly, to remind us of what a con man he is.

For heavens sake, go & co opt Turnbull to Labor, his thinking is much more in keeping with your physiology, & many of you seem to really like him.

It would be a win win win situation. The libs get rid of Turnbull, you get a better leader you like, & we get that awful woman's face & voice off our TV screens.

Please.

Dear Belly,

I would be very surprised if the former Prime Minister was re-instated
by the Party. For one thing - I think he's thoroughly enjoying his
current portfolio - and why on earth would he want to come back to a much higher-pressured, thankless job? Now he gets to mix on the world stage, is treated with respect, it's a prestigious posting, and he gets recognition and accolades for his achievements. If I was him - I'd stay with what I've got. Of course I suppose he could be pressured into - "The Party needs you," but I'd discuss it with my family before I got pushed into anything, if I were him.

I believe that that ALP had received some suggestions from Faulkner, Crean, and Brachs as to how to move forward - and what to correct. Hopefully the Party will take that advice on board and do just that.
I wouldn't write things off just yet. There's still enough time to make changes - though I don't think Kevin Rudd is the answer.

How about John Faulkner Belly.He seems to have some integity? This is what is largely missing in all of our political parties.They wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face.

Come on Arjay, Faulkner was the one who wanted to allow secret women's business evidence to be submitted to a court in a sealed envelope.

Everyone, including him must have known it was absolute BS, hence the desire for it to avoid inspection. If that's what passes for integrity, we are in real trouble.

Turnbull hasbeen did try to join the ALP first as did both Abbott and Costello, love those two names together,expressive!
I can not defend Gillard, from a close position I saw her pre 2007 for what she has become.
Much like Abbott, a changeling.
Would, both of them, dance naked in the street to be seen.
Rudd was much better at his worst.
My intention?
To get the man who is what Kevin Rudd promised to be, Bill Shorten, in the lodge, while we are not dead.
Do not hasbeen/Australia overlook the real dangers lack of policy and dangerous policy's Abbott's Rabbits hold.
And never ever forget Turnbull is your savior ,he wants LIBERALISM to again live in your party.
Abbott, and you MUST face it, it is the truth.
Wants tax payers to pay big polluters.
He wants tax payers to pay for women on incomes twice some, to have six months maternity leave.
Wants to take from pensioners money to be paid to help rising costs of living.
Abbott has no current known plans, to help them with rising power costs.
The same gentle man, more interested in share holders than our country, says he will not take the new agreed to mining tax, the only way I see this country, via infrastructure growtrh gets a fair share of the windfalls over seas interests are getting.
Who will pay to develop Australia.
11 billion black hole in his last budget so he avoids telling us ANY THING about his plans to fund his big spending.
My poor country!
Poor average Aussie.
We all know, those who will look ,we are badly served by both sides, have become victims of rag like Medea intent on story's not responsibility they have.
We will just see ,soon ,how badly Abbott and Gillard serve this country/the parity's they both lay claim to owning.
In a horse race I study form look at the coats walking the lot here we compare a three legged donkey with a camel that can only run back wards.

Dear Belly,

Bill Shorten would be my choice as well.

Bill Shorten and Malcolm Turnbull - now that would
be a great choice at the next election.

Lexi,Malcom Turnbull? He is a Globalist and acolyte of the central banks.Turnbull wants the carbon tax that Juliar has pledged 10% already for the UN World Govt.Turnbull is an arrogrant elitist who is the conduit for the big end of town.

Dear Arjay,

Then who else is there? They're all for the "big end
of town." But at least Malcolm Turnbull is prepared to
cross the floor on certain issues and negotiate for the good
of the nation.

Belly, I have to disagree with you. I certainly don't think that
Abbott should be running the country, the Libs need some new
talent to come up from the backbenches.

I certainly would not blame all mistakes on Gillard, for of course
there is a whole team there, many who have made mistakes. But
at the end of the day she is hamstrung by the weak Govt, having
to pander to the Greens and independants. I still think that
she is better then Rudd.

At the moment we have a lot of divisive issues, from the carbon tax
to asylum seekers. And yes the press play up everything. I've
just watched the news about the so called ban live exports demo.
The figures quoted for Sydney were between 400 and 1000. All the
old animal activist faces there, like Mark Pearson and others.
But 1000 people out of a Sydney population of 5 million or whatever,
is hardly a huge number. More like just the normal rabble.

Dear Yabby,

Well said!

Even better news Lexi, which you might not hear in the East,
but in Perth, farmers doing their own chanting, outnumbered the protesters :)

Dear Yabby,

That is excellent news!

Oh please, let's not even consider Rudd returning to the leadership! That would be a backward step indeed.
I will join Lexi in her preferences, and return to the Liberal fold, only when Turnbull is at the helm.

At least he won't allow any religious beliefs to cloud his judgement like the Abbott does.
I don't care if Turnbull is 'elitist' or not, because he is a very clever, well educated man, and we need smart people at the top.

Yabby, I applaud the farmers for there brave stance here in the West, but it is all a little too late isn't it?
The live export trade has already been stopped.

They should have stood up and spoke out against animal cruelty towards there own exported cattle long ago.
Then we wouldn't be in this mess...

If Turnbull was their leader, I'd probably preference the Coalition above a Gillard-led Labor government at the next election, unless Gillard can achieve something startling in the intervening period. If Rudd's given another go I'd probably preference a government led by him over a Coalition led by anybody - but only if he shows evidence of being able to collaborate, both within Labor and with the cross benches.

Anything's possible. I'm quite sure most ALP parliamentarians rue the day they summarily dumped Rudd, and they're polling so poorly they'd probably get away with dumping Gillard too.

Not so Suze, live exports to Indonesia have simply been temporarily
suspended, until closed supply chains are sorted out in Indonesia,
which should take a few weeks.

If the Govt had tried to shut down the whole trade for good,
as the vegan protestors were calling for, the farmers might
have turned up with their shotguns :)

I agree Yabby, but I doubt all the protesters are vegans.
I am sure there are a few vegetarians ans seafood only people as well :)

http://www.smh.com.au/national/politics-is-a-lonely-game-20110618-1g8zr.html
Can any one tell me Gillard would do this.
Any one say 12 months after her dismissal she would be so loved?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-sunday-debate-is-julia-gillard-terminal/story-e6frezz0-1226077699036
Yes another link[do not be concerned about the early hour I remain the early riser of my working days]
Both links have some thing to say about the issue.
In the second A man I greatly admire Paul Howe's says what he thinks.
Never the less that too is what I am saying.
He from a justly deserved suit wearing high office, me from the blue singlet while it was working mans clothing ,now the high vis shirts I still own and wear.
In all those lunch sheds, not preaching to those members,but sitting drinking coffee with them.
I listened, heard them, as the membership cards went around the table and came back filled in.
In any lunch shed, any group of workers,voters of every kind linked to every party can be found.
VERY few on construction sites are green.
Most of the committed may well be Labor, but it is not assured.
Few have in depth views less understanding.
I can say this, truly honestly and without doubt.
Labor has failed to under stand , that these folk do not under stand just what Labor is doing, shame,but Labor , lost in a land of focus groups,stopped respecting and educating its grass roots about 20 years ago.
And know Abbott and Gillard are unloved, true, no respect there just further fodder,a very reason, to continue the fallacy,all politicians can not be trusted.
So Labor party hates Rudd?,I prefer Shorten, BUT if it hates Rudd, fears change, then my party hates its rank and file too.
HATES voters, is content to roll up in a ball hide its eyes and say bugger the world its our ball!

I have to admit while taking my morning walk in the Medea swamp I posted my links then read the posts.
So pumped, true,to see Suzionline post! some understanding! you GOOD THING! Suz.
Yabby,one Gillard,sorry,is the reason for most of the failures, its her nature.
Being a bit well not sure, rude?
But I have to say this, I see Gertrude's mask , saw it early, believe not in retreat but not in feeding such.
PS avoided the biggest Medea swamp, it resembles a septic tank top off and smelly these days.

Turnbull wants the carbon tax + ETS and that will destroy our economy for no good reason.

Belly, I read the article about Rudd sleeping out. But so did
100 CEOs, leaders of Australia's top companies. So its not
a big deal and he was in very good company.

People have flawed memories, we tend to forget quickly, but do
not forget that Rudd lost the plot in the end, with his kitchen
cabinet. He is more of a natural loner, which makes being a leader
in politics more difficult. Hawke was in that sense a great leader.
You cannot compare the Rudd and Gillard Govts either. Rudd
governed in his own right, Gillard does not. She has to
bend to the 4 independants, if any of them leave she is stuffed.
I certainly would not want the job and I'm surprised that a Govt
of that structure has lasted a whole year

Belly,
I could hardly believe it. Your post on page 2 was exactly Labor party spin and I expected you to be far more pragmatic.

Turnbull is not on for the Libs and if they had a leader with more personality than Abbott, they would now be in government.

Having said that, the leader is not the only consideration, it is the ideology of the party that is questionable. There are many policy failures, both under Rudd and Gillard.

Why did Labor have to mess with the illegal boat people, it was not a problem when they took office, they created the problem. Why the massive jump in immigration? Why the stuff ups in the pink bats and the school halls business and all the other solar and mad green schemes. More recently, they reserected the Multicultural thing which was being buried, I could go on and on. The 60c/kw paid for solar in NSW will be rightly blamed on Labor stupidity and the live export is fast becoming a Labor stuff up.

I see Abbott becoming PM by default, but at least there will be Liberal parliamentarians that have a track record of 'steady as she goes' and good financial management.

What has Labor got to offer? another show pony?

The papers today (well, their websites anyway) suggest that Labor is running scared of Rudd. They needn't. If he WAS to make a comeback, they would still hold power. If they could placate Oakeshott, who seems to think reinstating Rudd would be 'messing' with him, they wouldn't have too many dramas in the short term. If they lose at the next election, then so be it. It's not like they are on a winner with Gillard anyway.

I'm not sure what Rudd is playing at here. He's suddenly seeking a higher profile once again, and coming across all humble and meek. Maybe he is reformed, maybe he is more comfortable with himself or maybe he is just being a clever politician. Gillard has yet to do any of the three - she attacked him on the anniversary of her coup, she bragged about how wonderful her government is and she has yet to do anything I would consider particularly intelligent. Even the coup was unintelligent, as far as I can tell. It resulted in a fate worse than a lost election: a (sort of) won election that will result in a spectacular showcase of incompetence and inaction. I suspect that, if Gillard runs full term, she will lose the next election and bury Labor for as long as our memories last. Unless, of course, the coalition keeps Abbott on top and he turns out to be the prize twit he often seems to be.

Rudd as PM was an incompetent control freak.

His popularity now is less to do with his rehabilitation than simply that Juliar Gillard is worse.

Labor is in a pickle, having seen the damage done to the party by deposing Rudd, and the implosion of NSW with the continual change of leaders, giving Juliar the chop would be devastating. She has also taken trouble to entrench herself and ousting her would require a serious revolt. However, it is getting close to the point where Juliar is doing more damage to the party than her execution.

I feel that she has put her personal interests ahead of the country's and is no longer fit to lead.

SM,

And Tony Abbott is?

It was never my intention to promote Kevin.
See how ever 60% say they want him.
Be it known I want Bill Shorten.
But over use of the product of the southern end of a north bound Bull changes nothing.
We ALP voters say Turnbull is now the best conservatives have, that his exile improved him.
Yet we do not think that of Rudd?
He still is the man voters want.
Now know, I till I die, love my union the AWU, a servant of it from 1963, my departure , standing against work place Bullying, ignorance of my members needs, in taking the Australian dream, telling the Bully My last boss, what I thought of him, my life membership went.
I put three men high on a pedestal Bill Ludwig, Bill Shorten and Paul Howe's.
NONE better to be seen with.
But today Paul said he bets his house on Gillard leading us to the next election.
GEE I TRULY HOPE NOT!
she SOON, Will GO HEAD ON WITH THE GREENS, why have you waited.
She will make Abbott look, well like Abbott on climate change.
But us, the foot soldiers have had a gutful of the fattening the pig on market day insults to our ability to think.
NO MORE NSW go Julia please go now, rich poor unemployed or working we have only one vote and working Australia is sick of her.

SM, it is hard to take you seriously when you continue to use the preschool tactic of insulting a person by playing with her name. It's not even a very clever or imaginative insult, is it?

Just thought I'd share.

I think KRudd should return to lead the Labor Party

He is a familiar face and his punctilious attention to attaining increased levels of incompetence is certain of leading labor even deeper into the wilderness than Julia has managed to push them in the last year.

Of course, if labor were really "serious" about getting de-elected, thay would decide to follow a Buster Latham leader again.

Labor - the natural party of opposition

Perhaps old Latham would be a good idea. According to individual's post from earlier on in this thread, Kevin Rudd's biggest problem is that he is an academic. How much further from 'academic' can you get than Mark Latham?

Dear Belly,

Labor at the moment is a minority government and has no choice but to
respect and listen to the people that have placed them in power, that is the Greens and the Independents.
Sometimes despite the best of intentions compromises have to be made in the interest of getting
legislation passed, particularly when the Opposition is led by an
individual whose only interest is self-promotion and who'll fight tooth and claw to be PM.
Tony Abbott has no interest in the well-being
of the nation and its people.

As for the former Prime Minister -
his character as an academic is best-suited on the International Scene
where he mixes with a higher-level of world leaders and is highly respected.
I very much doubt whether he would be suited dealing with
the rabble that is in Australian politics at present.
Gone are the days of the higher-principles that were experienced in the pre-Howard era.

Shadow and Col lack the understanding and the ability to insult with force.
We will continue to see a kiddy like flow of attempted put downs but should all forgive them both.
Latham,any informed observer of my party will know, was propped up by Gillard/Crean/Fitzgibbon and the lost trio already have my party's blood and entrails all over them after the election that unmasked him.
Luck or good planning but Labor has ten leaders and 20 Ministers in waiting more than the equal of Abbott's followers, except a couple who follow with knives in their hands.

Posted by Peter Crawford on public forum
Vengeance Is Mine, Sayeth Kevin.

Kevin Rudd is in an ideal position for himself, he can't do any wrongs. He knows that if Julia sacks him, it will force a general election, in which both she and her failing party will be voted out of office. Therefore, we see Kevin globe trotting, promising millions of $ in aid with monies that they are still borrowing at $100,000 per week, instead of being where he should be, such as Malaysia and Indonesia, sorting out our problems there. He's having a ball. Vengeance is mine, sayeth Kevin.

Kevin Rudd to return as Leader?

As George Negus stated on his show a little birdie from ALP camp told him hell will freeze over before he gets the numbers to head the party.

Some people at least are making a quid out of Kev so in fact hes keeping employment for the company doing adds.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/liberal-campaign-gets-zesty/story-e6freuy9-1226077811322
I am starting to warm to our PM. I think shes in a difficult position with the wrong team. ALP have never been able to manage money and never will among other things

Kerryanne,

I disagree with your statement that the ALP has never been able to manage money et cetera. The government to its credit has seen us through a global financial crisis and people who give credit to
the cash surplus of the Howard Government "$70 billion in net assets"
display a difficulty in understanding just what an asset is. One would expect a government in office during a cyclical boom to accumulate a budget surplus, as the Howard government did. but it did so by leaving us with a severe deficit in our infrastructure and in our institutions, environmental and social capital. The Howard government depleted our assets. The Labor government stopped us from having a recession.

As for Julia Gillard she developed her own brand of consensus politics which basically entailed letting others run the show. Perhaps this was because of the perception of illegitimacy regarding the way she assumed power. She didn't have the authority to assert her views or to be herself. This left her looking out of her depth on the domestic stage. She's also in a difficult position being a minority government where compromises have to be made with the Greens and the Independents who put her government in power. It's not an easy job - but there's still time to achieve positive outcomes.
We'll have to wait and see what develops - it's too early to write
anyone off just yet.

Both sides of this issue can put a case,lets face it cases exist.
Remembering my distrust of printed Medea and other forms, still considering headline about this subject.
Labor power Brokers,
It was, believe me, power brokers, some criminals in every sense of the word,who drove my NSW ALP on to the rocks.
Then towed it out to sea and blew the remains to hell.
I am not saying Rudd is the answer.
I am saying Gillard is not.
Like me hate me,but she has done her dash with many male voters.
She,in a months ago stiffening up, told us she would take on Abbott, we await Julia.
We are the better team,hamstrung by silly actions,why an advertising program before we know the full carbon tax plan.
Why in the midst of rebuilding my party, NSW based but Federally requested for all,are we hearing from power brokers?
POWER BROKERS the ones who told NSW rank and file and conference our opinions did not matter.
How BL*&DY silly, 60% say they want Kevin.
Power Brokers say its Kevin doing it , forget those 60%
Julia Gillard is not the savior of my party.
Is her survival to save face for the power brokers? no need exists gentlemen, only the dysfunctional Medea cares, I recommend and want one of those power brokers to replace her.
He currently has been locked away out of sight while power brokers try to find ways to make our leader look better than she can.
Power brokers? who owns my party, are our votes just ammunition for power brokers guns?
In a few weeks, days, hours, Julia will, armed by power brokers, lift her game.
My party however while in the hands of power brokers is unlikely to consider reform as other than the SPIN it looks like.
Can an itch in my head be true, is it the nigh mare truth?
Have power brokers given the next election away, are we intending to sink our ship along with Capt Gillard then convince the voters we did our best?
60% want Rudd,then 60% do not want Julia.

Can an itch in my head be true, is it the nigh mare truth?
Belly,
then scratch your head instead of the bottom of the barrel :-)
(I'm referring to your choice for Bill Shorten)

Belly

I see Rudd as being more about personal vendetta than giving a damn about the wellbeing of either the Labor Party or Australia.

Agree with Lexi, that claims about Labor not being able to manage money is a label and nothing more. There are plenty of example of excellent economic management: Keating and more recently in Victoria left with solid finances, which new Liberal government has yet to do anything practical with.

As for Julia, perhaps it was the wrong time for her, I really have to wonder at the players behind the scenes, given many of her decisions from refugees to repairing many of the wrongs left by the Libs such as funding of private schools, baby bonus and other middle class welfare. I can't comment on the Carbon tax because Labor has yet to make clear just how this money will be invested. We have a long way to go to catch up with the rest of the world in transitioning to clean renewable resources - the mining tax would've helped, but we can't have Gina Rinehart dropping down the rich list now, can we?

http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/stories/beast-file-gina-rinehart

one cannot miss the bleating beatup peter[beaty]
putting his either or oar in..[like he is some revered or respected elder..rather than the liar he in truth is]

cheaper electicity...lol
how much more lies ya want

only 1000 will pay...lol
so why compensate ANYONE

but lets NAME THESE 1000
lets hear what industries..are these big poluters
are these big poluters the REAL poluters..pioisening whole rivers with polution..or planning to pump slurry onto the ocen floors?

of course not
the lol...1000..are those horrible people making your heat
causing your gioiods to be deliverd to the shops
taking you and your family on holidays

that beatup peter sticks his nose in at this time
only reveales he has been bought out AGAIN

we see the greenie joke
on a grenie [paid for?..advert
saying..."""MAKING alternative energy cheaper''
LOL..by doubling the real price of all other energy

SO it APEARS to be cheaper...
than the energy 1000 vile harrid/poluters..
are producing AT HALF THE COST....

we are subsidising those very people
barstarrrdiesing the input rate they recieve
[as extra income]...they sell by clever spin and lies

for..way beyong its true cost price..
[thanks to the like's of carr and beatup[peter]..selling out to the green lobby]..

needing extra money..double..
to deliver half the power]
for half the day

soon we have the have's..ALLREADY..having too much
and the have-nots...paying for your power bills
as your ab-use doubles again

how can you*..getting cash
PLUS free power..feel so litle shame

AND STILL SEEK TO CAST EVER MORE BLAME...!
'cheaper alternative energy'...?
lol

when youir already ab-using it for free?
what next we pay you double

CHEAPER FOR WHO?

green turns brown
as it dies

get rid of brown
and send peter back to usa
[paying for his own way]

bleating beatup peter[beaty]
aug,
Now there's a perfect example of a rat leaving the other rats on a sinking ship.

Ammonite thank you!a rose among the thorns, your post at least shows understanding.
Indy, mate! you blow it every time! here free is a slur you can throw at me in a thread such as this, ready, sure? write it down!
Belly are you sure a new Captain can turn your old barge around.
Got that?
Good ,my answer? if Abbott garbage barge floats any thing will ok?
Gillard once came very much from the left, as did some far better than her Faulkner for one.
She paddled Simon Creans canoe for some time, along with Mark Latham.
By then she had dumped her roots and with Fitzgibbon joining the good ship self interest, Launched Latham on us.
The ALP sorely wounded but afloat saw a blond haired little bloke who was loved by the public, almost as much as he loved himself, I was a follower.
Gillard quietly with it appears much forethought launched yet another ship, it sank some minor ships Climate tax double dissolution and set fire to its self.
Then floated down with the tide to burn some of its own fleet Ministerial responsibility went down without a fight.
[Fitzgibbon]Policy's got infested with a ship born illness.
She sails still in hope a wind not unlike the Kamikaze will save us.
It may, only this fact keeps her on Bord see Abbott unmasked will be worse!
What a sad thing! for my country, both sides lead by unwanted and unloved leaders propped up by two party's more interested in warring than voters.

Lexi,

Labor's financial record is a litany of incompetence. The only thing Labor can claim is that they managed to avoid a recession during the GFC. Even then, the debt incurred was far higher than it needed to be, and they are still spending stimulus for a problem in 2009.

We have a $107bn debt and almost nothing other than a few school halls to show for it. What else could we expect from an intellectual midget of a treasurer.

I think OUG is on the money. KR is angry, really angry. He suffered a humilliation of galactic proportion and he will have his revenge.

KR can enjoy his taxpayer funded jaunts around the world, rubbing shoulders with the rich and powerful, line himself up for "retirement" at the UN and on top of all this, he can spend just a few minutes each day tormenting the life out of Julia and the rest of the ALP. He is in the box seat and having a ball. He doesn't even want to be in the ALP, let alone lead it.

Dear Hasbeen,

I've got to laugh. "Get that woman's face off TV...?"
Is the smirking "Big Ears," any better? Come on.

We shouldn't judge by appearances. I mean
take a good look at some of our past Prime Ministers -
not all of them were poster boys and some had rather bizarre
habits to boot. We've got to look for leaders for their ideas,
who spend more time focusing on issues, policies, rather than
their condemnation and attacking abilities. Malcolm Turnbull
is intelligent, flexible and a good communicator,
the Libs could do a lot worse.

Oh, come on Lexi, we all remember "Ms Squiggel"

Sorry, that should be "Ms Squiggle"

Sorry Lexi, a rerun of Turnbull would be as bad for the Libs as one of Rudd would be for Labor.

Now please, I was kind. I didn't say get that woman's awful face off TV, now did I? Although if I had your response about Abbott would be fair. No, I said that awful woman's face off TV. That really is quite different, & so hard to argue with.

Originally I was prepared to put up with Julia if it meant that smarmy face of Ruddy was gone, but you can't trust the ABC. They love the slimy bu##er. They find the most obscure reasons to plonk him up there almost daily. It is just like when he was busy undermining Kim.

I would love to get the message to all TV advertisers that they are wasting their money. Most Ozzies now sit, remote in hand, ready to change channels the moment the face of any of the current or past leaders of either bunch come into sight.

If advertisers knew this they would demand than none of the 4 appear during time they pay for. It would be enough for me to buy their products.

There's not much reason to watch auntie any more either, it's all propaganda or kids shows now. All the good stuff they used to have has gone to the commercials or SBS.

Lexi be happy at least the word spin appears in spindoc tag, no idea why shadow minister and hasbeen act like that.
All my fears are melting away.
See my link in sm,s latest thread ,The Mad Monk say he demands a 68 million dollar plebiscite.
But if we vote other than his way he will not act on it!
As an old Aussie actor would have said well strike me!
I rightly in my view, target fools called power brokers for ignoring Labor/membership/voters
Abbott warns us if he feels like it he will ignore the country!
Gota love him, such open stupidity!

Dear spindoc,

So you really watched Mr Squiggle? That's great. I guess boys
will be boys (as will some middle-aged men). But I understand
as Mr Sqiggle could bring out the child in anyone.

Dear Hasbeen,

Don't give up watching the ABC just yet. "Q and A" is on
tonight. Give it a watch - you might just enjoy it.
Katter was on the panel last week - quite a character
that man - but it certainly wasn't dull.

Dear Belly,

Barrie Cassidy wrote an article recently on this topic:
"In the past 2 weeks the sands seem to have shifted ever so gently
under the carbon tax debate. Suddenly government inspired information
rather than Opposition rhetoric seems to head the coverage. That
just micht be the beginning of a trend."

I think that people are beginning to realise for the first time
that the carbon tax does not directly apply to them. By the end of
2012 people will have experienced the policy for themselves, free
of anything the pollies migh have said. The Opposition might then
find it harder to explain how they will dismantle the scheme and take
away the tax cuts that came with it. It won't be easy persuading
the electorate that they can raise taxes again, because prices will
certainly come down.

cont'd...

My apologies for all the typos.

Lexi evidence exists that spindoc may be Mr Squiggles.
Here we can, those who wish to look,both no carbon tax majority, thanks for that JULIA.
And just as big a majority saying we think action on climate change should take place.
Now why is it so.
Julia did not think out,never seems to, her words both in telling Rudd to drop it and those silly words.
BUT Abbott has pushed shoved and miss used public opinion, sold us a pup, a lie to voters who drift in the wind.
But like it or not dislike for Julia Gillard and if she bought them free beer would still do so.
A new leader is going to come power brokers or not, take Beaty now he was a good leader had Medea savvy but can he not see?
If Kevin Rudd took his advice,to protect a prime minister few want, his seat would not be won by Labor.
QUEENSLAND would look like NSW in the next election.
Rather Rudd than this dud.
POWER BROKERS!? blind mice! 60% do not know, they do not understand, or care about your power.
All those years a go under a tree we all know not one power broker stood so it should always be.
My party is no ladder for opportunists, party first or go
Be proud of our history, learn from our mistakes

My party is no ladder for opportunists,
Belly,
this is probably your most wrong statement on OLO thus far. The ALP is a ladder for opportunists & it is just about to collapse under the weight.

The people have stopped listening and Labor are finished.Perhaps Bob Katter's Australian Party can eventually fill the vacuum.

Belly, very naughty, you've just compromised my anonimity.

Dear spindoc,

That's lovely.
We're all delighted to know you're back.;-)

Indy Mate!howyagoing?
Try to help its my nature see that barrow you are pushing, well bloke its one of those Bunnings ones.
Your are supposed to pull it.
Are you sure that wire basket type is the right one for a load of sand?, any one have a broom?
I stand by my belief, if Abbott won today, hopefully it would be after a double dissolution election.
And he entered government with control of both houses, my preference.
He, even if he had a NSW like Victory,would be out of office in one term.
My aggressiveness to wards sections of my party is because, without doubt, we are better than this.
We have achieved much, we have implemented great things, my party its members, some more than others let us the Kevin 07 believers down.
They stood like stunned rabbits hid the truth from us, just maybe Julia the failure she is, wanted Kevin's job all along.
HE COULD HAVE BEEN CONTROLLED.
Today we hear power brokers hell! it irks me! are in control not party members, that our ship is to be sunk in their name.
But those opposite me, only a few, sit smugly in mud and other waste exploring my party's wrongs ,but not daring to even look at the rotting mess that now drives Liberalism in this country.
Let Australia have a plebiscite on two things.
One Vote One Value and second abolish the senate.
I honor and respect Tony Windsor he stands out as one of the most honest men in the house Oakshot but not on that level Katter but understand he is a few bob short of a quid.
No other independent or green should be in Parliament without a mop or broom.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2765714.html
In this post I would like the lease holders, or is it owners of my party to first read this link.
Then remind me, what is so evil about Kevin Rudd being popular.
And again, tell this old bloke, I need to know, how is his popularity connected to Julia's unpopularity.
By the way,Rudd seems to be unpopular within the party,, for being too popular with voters.
Read the Mock Turtle Dance have we?

One Vote One Value and second abolish the senate.
Belly,
You have my full support on that. Throw in a flat tax & we'll all be ok.

Not sure about flat tax, but the rest can save Australian Politics
Senate has stopped my side running riot and yours.
I fought the Australian card, looking back maybe I should not have.
Fielding leaves the senate soon the SA bloke is of no use and the one house system in my view restores the Right to elected governments to govern.
Minor party's greens for sure will not agree.
I can not say this often enough,a system that lets those holding 12% of the votes frustrate the wishes of those who held 88% is insanity.
I will be bombarded with Representative junk, that ignores for them to have representation the 88% must not.
Tax? another thread another time but if we cut tax avoidance we can do great good.

It is unfortunate since Kevin Rudd's demise that the parliament appears to have turned into a circus.

I haven't had much interest in politics and during elections I voted informally. I tend to watch a lot of television unfortunately there are too many reality shows that have taken over. Out of curiousity I decided to watch another reality show called Question Time. It is amazing how a group of seemingly intelligent people can behave so irrationally.

In the past most parties tended to behave in a reputable manner and it appeared when Kevin Rudd was prime minister and Malcolm Turnbull was opposition leader that some rationality was to continue. Why can't we bring those two back?

Aquarius welcome, I am not doing much because of a health issue but always did watch it if I could.
It has got worse but was never nice not here or in England, the country we got our system from.
Politicians seem to want a school yard fight and forget we are unimpressed.
Quite true a true WIT comes only rarely,but is well received by every one, Sad but some attempt prove more TWITS exist.
Try this,watch the body language, a ALP male,clueless to the fact he was on TV sat next to a nice blond ALP female, dressed like a dandy he started to preen himself ,all the I am interested in you stuff, she gave the get away signal so, he repeated his display along side another woman, again on camera.
Watch the eyes,both sides are entertaining ,both sides have deep splits.
To those upset with me, my party comes first crawling subservience to less than good actions only harms us.
And ,sorry Gillard is gone,if it was Roxon leading we would be much better but it is time for Bill Shorten party first.

Belly thanks for the welcome. You are right the leadership should change for both parties. I've watched Shorten in action. here are
possibilities, but he's a new starter and it may take some time.

As for the opposition leader, I never hear or read what he says. The mere sight of him makes me switch channels or turn the newspaper page.
How can he expect people to vote for him if they've stopped listening
to what he says.

There are good people in parliament with all political persuasions. In local councils best people are elected no matter what their political persuasions. Why can't that be the case in government, both
federal and state.

Have you seen the 7.30 report last tuesday dealing with the question of the national broadband network. There were representatives of telephone companies, installers, and Malcolm Turnbull. I may not have agreed with everything he said but I listened with interest to his whole commentary without wanting to turn off. Now there is a man who
speaks logically and with integrity and like-minded people would be inclined to follow him on any cause.

Yes Aquarius I am on record saying both need to go I do not turn Abbott off he amuses me.
Turnbull should be leading, unless he crosses the floor for basic honestly held views on carbon tax[rumor says he will] he will return.
I have lived in times just like this, Labor must stop fooling its self we are on the nose.
If every long term ALP voter sticks, if the election soon, we will be dumped,and a far worse government take our place.
Bill Shorten is not new or unknown to me.
I first met him as a delegate to the National conference to My union the AWU.
Again after I became an official of that union.
He is sheer brilliance.
I suspect Rudd,Now Gillard and her supporters have him locked away.
He is our lifeboat, and the man we thought Rudd was.
Rudd remains a better man for his fall but seemingly too divisive to return.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/the-final-rudd-nail-graham-richardson-reveals-coup-but-says-julia-gillard-faces-slaughter/story-e6freuzi-1226080886074
I will be flogged for this, from my closest life long mates.
But power brokers got us into this and refuse to get us out.
Bill Shorten has been tucked away in case he is needed after we are trashed.
Renew the party?
What party
Why lie why tell us the party members matter?
Hold a focus group, keep the real ALP members away fill it with school teachers lawyers and,oh yes! GREENS.
How Big Mr Beaty, will the hole be, after you get rid of Rudd?
You are unfit to comment bloke
POWER BROKERS has became filthy words they never should be uttered in mixed company.

Dear Lexi

Thanks for your reply and i agree with you. Its too early to write off ALP with Julie as PM. I am not going to argue who is the better keeper when it comes to $. We already know that. I think there are more people who vote on a moral issues now then ever before. The ALP should be getting the feel of that. That got a slap over the knuckles from our pensioners with the idea of offering them a new TV or whatever. Once they would have jumped. No moral issues and a real fear of this countries direction are taking off a bit more.
Regardless or not if we liked her for dumping Kevin07 i believe in all honesty she did it for the party and it took guts-even if some didnt approve.

Moral issues like gay marriage climate change live exports just to mention a few are all really tough choices - but shes known more fiber than a lot of formers. People understand shes in a tough spot but if she goes with whats right morally I think ALP will have our PM returned tbo.

It think it is time that Kev was removed completely from the equation. A nice little diplomacy job in the country of his choice?

This would free up some space for new contenders or the current one to improve her game.

Ammonite 60% say they prefer Kev.
That is no reason to agree.
But it is reason to ask.
What if we dump this very good, outstandingly so, Foreign Minister?
To protect a woman that is unloved and bound to be forever.
What do we tell the Rudd fans?
As they leaves us to vote against us.
Some idiot has seen this as a way to help Gillard, it inflicts great harm to me party.
Let us also consider this.
soon Abbott will be dumped, he will, Turnbull vs Gillard? bloodbath.

Belly

As a PM Kevin makes a great Foreign Minister, however his presence is preventing the Labor Party from reinventing itself into a cohesive, functioning party.

Dear Kerryanne,

Thanks for responding to my post and I agree with what you say. She's
got a tough job and it will be interesting to see what happens with both party leaders before the next election. For now - I'm getting so sick of the entire business and all the bickering that's going on. Have you watched "Question Time," lately. I wonder if these people realise that they're being filmed?

Belly,
Keep going old son, one day you will convince yourself that Turnbull will be Liberals leader.

This may suit your carbon dioxide tax, but I doubt it will happen.

Bit like you claiming that Della Bosca would be state leader in NSW.

Now Banjo, I have no intention of backing down here, yes I make mistakes.
Dela Bosca was stopped from becoming a leader, he wed the wrong woman, loves her stands by her I admire him for that.
No subject is more important than climate change.
None more fogged and blackened,by miss information and pure unadulterated childlike silly statements.
Germany wants one world government, it.
A host of, well rat bag denials and conspiracy's that science is part of the plot.
Judge me mate on these two things I stand judged on both.
Abbott is not a true LIBERAL and is gone, soon.
Australia will have a carbon tax your leader in waiting Turnbull may play a roll in getting it.
And in ten years or less, even you will see it is/was needed.
IF ONLY those who hold the PREPOSTEROUS view it is a conspiracy could stand publicly and say the words I willingly will if proven wrong.
I was wrong, PRACTICE MY MATE!

Thanks Lexi

She does have a tough job true and seems to handle it.
Not too much other talent about and speaking of knives if i were her I would watch my back with Bill.
*- I'm getting so sick of the entire business and all the bickering that's going on.*

Yes but more and more that seems to be human nature.

Have you watched "Question Time," lately.

No but i saw a quick flash of hats the other night- i assume Katters new party supporters.:)

Re Kev I think he must have taken the office girl with him- 3 weeks still no reply or is it 4

Cheers Lexi

Thanks every one,for reasons of my own I intend to leave the thread .
Complex issue many good thoughts and ideas put forward
regards

Our future leader?

There is a man in contention who plays a game of deception.
He will not concede that he has a need of being the top dog
in question.

There is a man who thinks he is the man who leads a team of
division. But sadly indeed he cannot lead as no one wants his derision.