sbr108,
Have you priced into your no pay claim the replacement of maintenance and batteries in a stand alone situation? $6,000 to $10,000 every 7 - 10 years. We on the farm installed a 32HP diesel generator as well for high energy useage during peak useage hours.

“When the oil runs out 1,000,000,000 people will starve.”

That is one way of helping to achieve a sustainable population
“Other countries have the tax, they will not trade with Australia.”

Maybe you could name them… and how much does them not trading with us cost us per annum…

I know of a list of countries supposedly “implementing” a carbon tax but none with one.

And if they were to fail to trade with us – so what? – they are likely to harm their own economies more than Australia’s

“The tax refund will exactly compensate the average consumer.”

If you believe that, you probably think that sheep, as well as pigs can fly

“Some of the carbon tax will subsidize solar water heaters.”

Terrific, if you don’t want a late evening shower – if it were such a good idea, a subsidy would not be needed

So 30 to 40 thousand people went on a rally… did you know, when fox hunting was an issue to be banned in UK… 250,000 rallied against the Blair governments banning plans

So, 7 – 10 times more people felt passionate enough about being allowed to hunt foxes as are passionate about a carbon tax…

And I bet nearly all the pro-carbon-tax zealots would admit hunting foxes was not one of their passions….

I dnot give a rats about how many loons want a carbon tax… what matter is do they have the numbers in an election

And the answer to that is

The do not …..

As one of the electors who will welcome the next election because it will mark the demise of the incumbent bunch of incompetent fruit loops, I likewise look forward to no carbon tax and the dissolution of the climate change commission on the basis it is a complete fraud

Philo, The new Solar systems are designed to be used without battries. I know where you are coming from though. My brother-in-law had the same system for the cattle station. Big heavy glass battries in the shed. You had to replace the Iron on the shed as well because the sulferic acid fumes rusted it out.

"Can anyone ... explain exactly how those tax dollars are going to be used?"
Pastel Blue; Hopefully they will be used to reduce your income tax to compensate you for your higher electricity bills.

Fat chance, Pastel. The money from the tax will go into consoladated revenue & will get lost in "the system" regardless of who is in power. Science research had it's funding cut this Budget, or did you not notice this. I too would like to see the money from the Carbon Tax, if & when we get one, kept seperate & go into Green Energy research, but it won't. High energy industry users have Government purse strings & they won't allow that to happen.

If Australia's contribution to World Pollution is 1% then reducing it by 20% reduces Australia to .8%. Now hang a bit on while I see if I getting excited... Hmmm no, not even getting a warm fuzzy feeling. This is just all to say to the World, "look at us." It's just show, nothing more. It'll make not one iota of difference.

Here's a list of the countries that have introduced a carbon tax: Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, & Costa Rica.

The Netherlands and India have fuel consumption taxes.

sbr108 "Here's a list of the countries that have introduced a carbon tax: Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, & Costa Rica."

If we were to stop trading with any on that list it would

1 make no difference to Australia

2 Likely to do damage to their economy

I guess in the madness of the asylum known as "Climate Politics",

some will claim success through pyrrhic victories

but for myself, I just do not see it.....

as for Countries using threats of economic sanctions to impose their will over other sovereign nations

I have no time for blackmail.

I do recall Southern Rhodesia during the years of UDI and the GB Gov reaction....

When I arrived in Salisbury, a week after the end of UDI... the impact it turned out of all those GB Government sanctions, thanks to alot of Japanese and other SE Asian Cars and other necessaries had been a great big Zero

Everybody is saying this or that about the carbon tax , will it or wont it reduce the CO2 and everybody is still bypassing the main issue, who pollutes?....ITS ALL OF US....so the real issue is , how many of us should we have on this planet? The best way to reduce the possibility of increased carbon or any other dangerous or earth destroying event is to look at the human race....how commited are you , what level of existance are you willing to survive at? It seems that as long as we have our big houses with solar hot water its all OK ,whats the time payback for producing the equipment 20,30,40 years pollution before you can say that your green!.....what a joke we are , were all hypocrites.