Poirot:"Kids" know how to use play time to educate themselves.....sheesh!

Chyah. But I remember 20 years ago the other mums insisting that children NEEDED daycare to learn to socialise. Those idiots are probably running govt departments now and have shares in the daycare facilities.

This “broader objective” of getting as many children as possible into education facilities as early as possible is making my skin crawl and I wonder how many steps this is away from making it mandatory and what DoCS powers are now in the education departments hands.

OUG:”recall how we have had so many changes,...[doc's etc]
this is the next step..in muddying accountability..”

Happened quickly though and I’m not even sure (beyond the odd spot inspection of daycares) what services DoCS provided in this area. But does this mean the education department now polices its own industry?

Bellybabe:”But the incoming NSW government spoke of such changes before they won the recent election, in a historic total landslide.”

Wish I could vote. :)

“History now but time after time kids are hurt because DOCS is dysfunctional.”

I know, but that is a really muddy pond they have. I’m pleased to see some pressure off them although I’m really worried where it is heading.

This bit: "There are professional, early childhood people who know how to use play time and to educate kids."

It seems the direction is towards only some people are qualified to parent...?

Jewely <"t seems the direction is towards only some people are qualified to parent...?"

Don't you know some parents who should never have been allowed to raise children? I certainly do!

The good old days of having all your girlfriends around with their kids to visit yours are mostly gone unfortunately.

Most parents work outside the home at least part-time these days, so unless the kids meet other kids via early kindy or childcare, they don't have much chance for other little friends do they?
Brothers and sisters aren't really quite the same as friends are they?

As much as mums/dads should ideally be with their young kids most of the time, it is also important for the kids to learn how to get on with other kids their own age, before being thrust into the schoolyard.

Once kids are old enough to really enjoy being with other kids, I have no objection to childcare, but certainly not 'mandatory childcare'.

Jewely I wouldn't worry. This is the same as the Commonwealth set-up, nothing new there for child care and early education to be under a portfolio other than Community Services.

It is probably a knee-jerk reaction to the growing criticisms around child protection in NSW but not necessarily a worse decision.

The push to institutionalise kids early on will be the same no matter what department has responsibility.

I notice no governments, State or Federal are offering any kind of reforms to aid people to stay at home longer with their children or better yet managing an economy that enables people to make a variety of choices that are not limited to the rich. Kids can socialise with neighbours kids, playgroup kids, kids of family friends and relatives.

What is needed is a good kick up the behind if the modern day thought bubble insists governments are now required to provide these socialisation experiences. What a travesty. Just another dissent silencing production line to churn out one-sized, compliant economically viable citizens.

It always brings trouble if we get to personal.
Give too much information about our selves.
Thinking of past posters.
I distrust DOCS.
Can never trust or forgive them.
I am full of fear truly held fear about the welfare of kids in care.
I am not middle class, once earned that income, but never lived that life.
Not trolling for good thoughts , just saying it like it is, I think we are too insular.
I think we must care more.
As a Nation a State /people/and as individuals, for Children.
I see DOCS as useless a very real danger to those it is said to protect.
I AM YOU KNOW still a proud unionist, but the deadly illness that sees every public endeavor fail needs heads to roll.
The mantra written on walls in every government department * nothing really matters any more *
Is so hurtful,so Strong and so true.
It hurts.
VICTIMS are those who should be served by that institution workers of that group and us who pay tax,forgive but I must tell you a story it took place 32 years ago,but is happening again today and tomorrow.

I was a different person dad had died mum and I had cared for 5 of my siblings.
Still had two and one nephew.
Police knocked on door 3 siblings of that nephew had been abandoned on the road side at 2am 200 klm from our door.

We kept the kids their mum kept the welfare for them.
In time mum got that.
I was a Christian, tried everything in my power to love and protect those kids.
Knew I would have to try to be a father.
They went ok bought school work home and I pinned it on the fridge sent them to Sunday school fussed over them did my best.
Three boys one girl we liked one another ,the girl loved me as I loved her.
Bought her two horses then it happened.
She got involved with other girls on horses half her age again.
It took a month,, my loverly niece not yet a teen ager full make up sexual activity's while older girls watch.
DOCS told us we had to trust her.
she could go out ,in full make up.
We said not until she gets older,just 12 then.
They took her away.
Set her up in that DOCS workers nephews home, he was 23 she not 13
they lived together DOCS did nothing in an Aboriginal mission.
Hurt?, she came home after a year, broken,I had to fight DOCS bloke got sacked his nephew left my home after he turned up in lessor condition than he came.
I was broken ,never let the world know tried to make it go away,but in time she went.
My niece, have not seen her for twenty years she is the victim 7 kids all in care drugs a dozen different blokes,every year,DOCS ?
I know Foster parents, my best mate is one they do well battle to see kids get a chance.
But in another place away from here?
This country must do better public service is hamstrung we do not get value from out tax.
We all must come to know change is not always bad.

yes belly kids DESERVE better
but we need a govt to make the public servants care

allows the servants to invest in their care
makes their life mission..to improve the odds
for those with a parental derilection..[growing up wrong]

making victims of victims
evolving from..to the hurtfull..or injurouse
then disfunctional..[the nanny state has got it all wrong]

drugs is a medical[not a criminal problem]
how many times we hear of 'drugged mothers/drunk dads
these shouldnt be sent to jail..but to health farms..resorts
taugfht to love and care..in drug free group's

no one has rights to hurt ANYONE
or even them-selves..we should ban booze
[or licence it's use....knowing the forfeit certain rights..
if abusing their licence to drink or take drugs..or eat too much]

you cant be half arrrsed in this thing
nor two faced

we got huge problems with people partying on
..the two party machination machine..of vilify and lockem up...or out

kids deserve a bit of extra care and extra thought
if one does the crime..the whole family must do the time

make prisons family friendly
only lock up non victim criminals
and kill or casterate the real criminals

heck it works in hell
lets see the mirth..[joke]

lets raise hell
right here..*on earth

being nice hasnt worked
let's ear tag the lot of em

if you chose to be a slave..well now
your treated as one..by all of us..

give em a forhead tattoo
saying child pervert
or whatever*..

that...*made them a slave
to a criminal..[not moral]..*sin

knowing/recognising..who they are
is a first step..

those ignorant
ned to be made wise
no matter what it takes
[or costs]..