SM,

Actually it does diminish what you posted, if you post merely a selective portion of what Prof Garnaut stated without adding the clarifications he also mentioned. It gives people the wrong impression. Although we realise it's not your job to give people the right impression - afterall you do have to push your party line. That's your job and we understand that because your party does not give you any latitude.

You state that "the consumer always pays eventually." Isn't that the case with everything - including the GST? But in this case the consumer will be compensated.

As for coal being the "cheaper" option. Nah, actually it isn't. It is getting more and more expensive to mine it and new technologies and renewable energy sources are in fact cheaper in the long run, once the technology is in place.

Telling Belly that his and I quote, "vacuous repetition of the party line" convinces no-one, made me laugh out loud. Do you think yours does?

As for Australia not being a "world leader that anyone will follow,"
I fully agree if you guys ever got into power that would definitely be true. You all obviously share the same tunnel vision as your leader. However, you should have heard our Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr Kevin Rudd's inspirational speech to the National Press Club the other day. Apparently Labor's "vision" for Australia differs greatly from that of your party - which so far has no policies or vision to speak of.

BTW - this tax does achieve a great deal - by forcing an incentive for the polluters to seek alternative technologies and stop polluting.
Which is a plus for us all.

Finally, you ask, "Why will it be more expensive to change later rather than now? Are you serious?

To put it simply - Are you still on the same cost of living that you were a few years ago? Is your motor car cheaper to run now? Has your salary gone up? Get real!

one of your better rebuttals lexie
but sadly flawed on all points

i helped get howard out
meaning i helped but rudd in

there are many ways to say things
but often its what we dont say..in politricks..that decieves

juliar said no carbon tax
jonny said no child left behind

now we got *only 1000 will pay
[yet refusal to name these thouasand BIG POLUTERS
[because its not 'them'..that will be paying..!..its us..their polution serves to feed/employ]

so are the big poluters refiners...concrete
manufacturers..tree killers..ocean/rapists..paying
or the chemical mining farming catle industries,,,[are they one og the 1000?

thing is we dont know
were told it will be CHEAPER*...lol
not if what they decide to spend it on isnt the right fix..!
[and its bankers/money men..who will decide..once govt gives them 'right's'..its their cash cow]

then govt will loose the tax..
plus the ability to sustain..the tax cut
yet your presuming..all the litle people still get theirs...[lol]

you say..""this tax does achieve a great deal
by forcing an incentive""...lol

an incentive tax on ONE polutant
not all grenhouse gassses..just one
an invisable one...we exhale with every breath
in our softdrink..in our bread

""for the polluters
to seek alternative technologies and stop polluting.""

when they stop poluting
your kids will starve

is that cheaper tomorrow?
will your food be cheaper..to morrow

why is govt keeping the real;numbers secret?

I COPULDNT CARELES WHAT GARNEU[the dreamer] say;s
whats important is what govt puts into law

AND THEIR SILENCE IS OBVIOUS
to those listening
for *detail's

we never even had a propper debate on the science
let alone..what the carbon traders..will be
giving their credits for...$$$

is govt creating the credit?
or the bankers?

who trades in them is clear
but who issues..!...and underwrites their legality?

will the 1000 be paying the bankers?
after we pay them?

We have just had an advert here in Australia - promoting a new bute, carbon tax - one which is designed to eqaulise economic resources which will - per Prime Minister Gizzard's own words - see the poor better off under a carbon tax regime

So what is thre real agenda - "save the world" or "economic equalisation and leveling"?

However, one shot from what will become a low point in socialist deception was a paid, third rate actor, preaching carbon tax in front of a picture

the picture was four factory chimneys belching out black smoke....

what the advert did not say was the pisture was one of something not even in Australia ....

it was Battersea Powerstation - and it closed down 30 years ago

So, why shoot a campaign with gross distortion of content...?

If it had been a commercial company, they would have possibly breached the advertising standards

but this was the "government" - which, when socialist, finds new lows in deception and new ways to treat the electorate with contempt

Shadow Minister.
I am not taunting you.
I claim the high moral ground.
And use your often used quote about my welded on Labor views.
As evidence that land is indeed mine, mate you may have the very highest educational qualifications, not the ability to get even close to common sense however.
Gillard flogged Abbott today, over the last week she has begun the long climb to get back public support for climate change tax.
Helped by Abbott, and tell me, is SM in fact Tony? word for word the same fear and lies stream fourth.
Yes Lexi the silly man said that ,it was debated in the house, and Gillard won hands down.
BODY LANGUAGE, it tells us much.
Abbott needs to watch his back, it is in the eyes of his front bench.
Also look if you wish, and see unsettling things in Labors body movements Gillard is being watched by interesting people.
We are getting an ETS sadly tax first but watch wait see who crosses the floor.

Col Rouge says:

"So, why shoot a campaign with gross distortion of content? If it had been a commercial company, they would have possibly breached the advertising standards but this was the government..."

Actually Col, it was NOT the government, despite your assertion to the contrary. But you knew that.

If you didn't know that, you too, are shallow - and just as hypocritical as the alarmists.

Col
The ALP stopped being a socialist party eons ago. Equalisation and levelling is hardly the trademark of the current lot mores the pity.

Sometimes equalisation and levelling is about reducing the gap. That is not socialism but smart thinking. It makes perfect economic sense from a community POV. We don't need slums just to remind us how well we are doing.

When the Libs propose implementing a new tax to pay for an overly generous paternity leave package or toss around ideas of raising corporate taxes are they socialists too?