PS Houlley
Regarding the male shortage, the opposite is true in some of those mining towns. Very few women and apparently the brothels make a lot of money. Maybe some old ducks might be in with a chance given the pickings are slim hey... ;)

Pelican
The fact that people *are* motivated by material consideration doesn’t mean they’re *not* motivated by love, romance and all that.

You didn’t marry a homeless beggar did you? Guess what? Other women don't want to either.

But when people point out the obvious you fly into a personal attack. Everything you allege against me is a misrepresentation.

I only ever argue that people’s relations should be voluntary. You are the one who advocates threatening to shoot, taser or handcuff people and lock them in a cage to get money to pay for other people’s sexual choices, so it’s not that my economic theories are narrow or my manner aggressive; it’s that your anti-factual romantic theories are all that, and self-contradictory as well.

Nobody, man or woman wants to marry a homeless beggar. Using extremes really means your missing the point.

You are the one advocating only women are handcuffed by the State and sent to prison for selling sex while the user gets off scot free. I am actually arguing it has to be both or none. (Where did tasers come from?) Making stuff up means your drowning in your own narrow worshipping of free market coroprate libertarianism without much else to support your argument.

If society deems something illegal clearly a double standard should not apply even if it does not suit your hypocritical views on life. You really need a reality check.

It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich man!

'Well I don't envy those rich guys Houlley, if they are limiting their relationship purely within the pool of materialism for their sexual encounters. '

What's the alternative. A chick who has been too picky or man hating to find a man by mid 30s and reckons all men are 'intimidated' by her intelligence and 'success'. Riiiiiight! If I was single I know which ones I'd be after, and it wouldn't be the bitter desperado spinsters looking for a sperm doner before her eggs dry up. Danger! Will Robinson!

Sorry, I've just started channelling antiseptic.

But the fact remains pelican, there are lots of guys out west and single that the chicks wouldn't look sideways at because they live in the wrong suburb and don't earn enough. I go out with some of these guys on weekends and those chicks really aren't interested. They're nice blokes man. I try to be a good wing man, but the chicks aren't interested. Maybe I'm a rubbish match maker. They're all tall too (I'm the short-ass at 6 foot 2). Not especially good looking but they're not being picky that's for sure.

I cant believe you haven't heard the lament of the dating columns that there are no nice men around and all the good guys are married or gay. The man drought! Man where have you been. Not Sydney obviously.

"Nobody, man or woman wants to marry a homeless beggar. Using extremes really means..."

So, looks like marrying for material considerations *is* the norm, after all? The fact you dismiss the alternative out of hand shows it's your theory that's extreme and unrealistic, not mine.

"Where did tasers come from?"

Guns, taser, handcuffs and cages are what police use to enforce all the policies you are in favour of, remember? That's why you prefer policy instead of voluntary solutions, remember?

You claim money is not important in normal women's choice of marriage partners, but at the same time insist that the non-negotiable foundation of women's sexual relationships must be the use of deadly force to get money from men to pay for women's choice - and then have the gall to accuse me of being narrowly focused on the economic, of being aggressive, and having a cold-hearted analysis!

Houlley
No, I don't live in Sydney and have been married for 25 years so maybe am out of the loop. I know a wide variety of married and single people and many of the married people are not rich. Strangely they still have wives.

Women work nowadays, it has become the norm and can take care of themselves. I have heard as many of my men friends 'joke' about finding a rich sugar-mummy as women. None of them are serious and I don't expect they place as much value on materialism over SOH,love and shared values.

Just because Peter Hume cannot accept people can marry for love and believes without exception that all government policy involves tasers (clearly an OTT response without substance). Rational analogy has gone out the window. The reason people do not marry beggars is there is usually an indication of some other problem usually mental illness and most women have a sense of smell.

Houlley, I don't know why your male friends cannot find partners. There are many women who are in the same boat. Perhaps they are doing something else that is putting off the opposite sex, however it is unlike you to jump automatically to the conclusion that it must be because of the materialistic nature of woman.

You don't know women very well if you think women (or men for that matter) are purely motivated by wealth, particularly given many people even on OLO lament the growth of mindless consumerism