OUG:>>julia isnt the problem she has been targeted even has been mind controlled.. her partner is her minder..dumping him would see ..the old julia return to her roots..<<

Here are Julia’s roots:

Wikki:>> Julia Gillard graduated the University of Melbourne with Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Laws<<

OUG if you are intimating that Julia has somewhere "common" or "of the people" to return to, she has not.

Those early 80's Chardonnay years in uni and the Fabianesque banter that generation of young Labor was indoctrinated in gave Julia the perspective she carries now. That perspective is, I am intelligent and I know of the bigger picture and the pleb does not, so I make decisions for the uninformed rank and file, as they could not possibly understand the game plan in holistic terms. They do not listen to their local branches.

This government has no thought to public service in terms of infrastructure and real benefit such as Medicare, just UN bullsheiser issues such as asylum seekers. Charity and compassion should start at home, so why is it that four years into Labors terms do we still have aboriginal children dying at third world mortality rates? Who is Labor, what is Labor?

The focus is on minority issues from minority groups who Labor hope to attract as a voting bloc, at the cost of the traditional Labor voter, who is usually a struggling part of the majority who idiotically respond to rhetoric from their perceived “side” of politics. The average sod in the western suburbs of our cities is not talking about broadband or the Carbon tax and certainly not talking about Tim Flannery who this very week was appointed "Carbon Tax King" and receives $180,000 a year for a three day week to work out how much tax the average Labor supporter on $50K a year should pay.

Labor has to decide whose side they are on rather than trying to attract a side. So OUG Julia has nowhere to retreat to, she is there, regardless of the manipulation of the penis thruster she currently shares digs with.

heir of the golin ..thanks for the info

i will admit i was biased ..in favour of julia
because she conned my party machine [the h.e.m.p party]..

sadly many i respect ..have been decieved ..
i see behind much of it the hand of the friends of zionist bankers media..via their sock puppet[the usa]

[who have managed to thwart the intent/purpose/reason and reasoning of ..even my party]...

formerly i was a labourite [union]loyalist..
[their PARTY-policy ..was elimination of the self same drug laws..

i was assured by the then leader tom burns..all i needed do was help them get into power and labour policy would fix the injustice

but then came the disolution of the nats..
and their takeover of labor..

we all know the fruit of the goss gloss loins..[the pm who was rejected by even his own party].. the signs should have been clear..beatup peter was a chief lawyer in the joe trial farce

anyhow it all helps to open my eyes
but for my life experience i might still be like bellies

but that wasnt to be
wasnt allowed to be

just as workers empowerment isnt allowed to be
unionists are now a tool of oppression
and while belly might be right
i also fear he is wrong

belly is old school
this new labor is a joke
no loyalty..many never worn a blue collar ever
or served let alone joined in any REAL union

they are sanctymonious high partying two party priests
serving party systems for those who empower polititions
or serve party machinations or publicking servants..

but never the people

the only sure change
can be no change...
or the appearance of change

it all depends on how the pr machine decides to spin it
regardless of how/if.. the unionists lol..are allowed to vote on it

*And will carry out any dirty deed to stop its workers being paid going rates.*

Come on Belly, time to get real now. Howe's outburst was nothing
but a good old bit of 70s style sabre rattling. We have a right
to expect more intelligence from union leaders, then what his little
joke of a display was all about.

I remind you that most Rio workers are earning 6 figures, train
drivers over 200k $ a year, most of it negotiated without union
involvement.

Howe is a bit cheeky to talk of "shiny arses". What about his
shiny arse?

Rio is owned by all sorts of investors, most likely including
your super fund.

What % of workers are in unions? Clearly leaders like Howe, don't
even impress potential members.

After his little outburst, I'd run a mile from joining his union.
Gillard can clearly negotiate and understands the power of
people skills. Your old union seemingly does not.

To me the most impressive member of the Labour party that I have observed is Stephen Smith. Watching him on Q & A and his refusal to play dirty politics recently was refreshing. I know little about him but he certainly comes across as genuine.

Belly is a little depressed i say. Julia is doing fair as i am concerned. Her union backings has got to be balanced, things have moved on since the 70's. As far as julia's bed buddy goes i think she would see through any intended influence he was trying to propel. [Not on the same page.] When you look around parliament is at a very difficult stage. The opposite side has not recognized that the election has been won. Probably get worse when the greens come in around july.
Julia is a very approachable and intelligent fem;
You have to give votes for negotiation, and guts, no matter what party you prefer.

Well there it goes, out the window and fly away.
Any chance of reasonable debate, ideas and thoughts about these subjects.
ONE Gillard is no ones puppet, my dislike of her is she is as close to what Rudd was as any woman could be.
So dump the rubbish.
So what did she do wrong by the wacky backy party OUG? not keeping up with the medication vegetation mob these days.
Yabby, tell us all you know about Paul Howes, whoops, sorry forgot that was it in with some miss information.
Sonofgloin face it, hard but true, this thread could have been about the other side,your side.
Yes read your claim about Social Democrat but you sound unlike that.
My grief with Labor is not from my understanding Labor can never return to the old party.
It is driven by DISGUST! Rudd wimped out did much, but in his words the most important issue in the world and he did nothing.
Gillard was part of that gutless act.
She DID SAY why waste money on pensioners in Cabernet.
She is only in front in polling because Abbott is so disliked.
And the plans to rebirth party membership are as likely to fail if she continues to lead.
Try this, find the AWU National page.
Read Paul Howes stored statements/speeches then Shortens, then ask why we have a leader who is unconcerned about workers and pensioners.
Has to be pushed by greens to get an ETS, who thinks the answer is to stifle comments from union heads/party members.
Julia Gillard would sell her partner and you and me if it kept power in her hands.