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Bush Cancels Swiss Visit for fear of Indictment

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Ah, King Hazza, the "we are all guilty" defence.

>>I still have no basis to point fingers when I am just as guilty<<

Haven't heard that one in a while.

Does the name Michael Wharton ring any bells?

a.k.a. Peter Simple?

"A mainstay of his column was the fantasy world of Stretchford, a town populated by such grotesques as the excruciatingly trendy Bishop Spacely-Trellis, who eternally exhorted his flock to jettison “outdated concepts such as God, the Saints and the Incarnation”; Jack Moron, the boorish Fleet Street drunk whose bellicose refrain was “Wake up Britain!”; an appalling tribe of Hampstead liberals, the Dutt-Paukers; and not least the ridiculous social scientist, Dr Heinz Kiosk, who would conclude his monologues by protesting: “We are all guilty!”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article719197.ece

In summary, you accept that the government of Switzerland assisted the Nazi genocide of the Jews, but think that it was entirely OK because "we all do it".

Thanks for making that clear.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 3:42:13 PM
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There is of course, much jealousy of the Swiss. Such a little
country, with so few resources, yet they have done so well.

Everywhere I look, there are Swiss companies thriving. From
Shindler lifts to Nescafe, from Roche and Novartis in pharma
to Swatch, UBS to Lindt chocolate, the Swiss are at the
forefront. This despite high wages, no resources, but a great
use of brain power and an extensive training system to make sure
that a skilled workforce exists. Britain and Australia could learn
heaps from that system.

The Swiss have hollowed out mountains to set up a clever defense
system. Hitler would have been well aware of the cost of trying
to take over the place. It would not have been a pushover like
France.

The Swiss public get to vote on all sorts of things, so their
form of democracy is much envied. The Swiss killed no jews and
did not commit the crimes which apparently some of their bank
customers are lumbered with.

They have alot to be proud of, even if people like Pericles think
that the place is boring.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 8:57:24 PM
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Actually Pericles,that reference from the Herald Sun on 911blogger tells a very interesting story.Note that the pile driver according to NIST is tilting at 22 deg.It is impossible for the upper stories of the South Tower to crush the lower floors at freefall speeds at this angle much less at the vertical aspect.

It was the Sun Herald who conducted the survey on 911 brought to their attention by Kevin Bracken.Of 10,000 respondants, 77% said they did not believe in the official Govt version of Muslim terrorists doing 911.The 911 truth movement in Aust,has 300 active members of which I am one.77% of Australians do not believe their own Govt version on 911.

Where does that leave you Pericles?
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 9:32:09 PM
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Pericles you conveniently avoided addressing any of my points.

The 'we all do it' is a perfectly good defense to point out to those who don't want to see, that all the usual evil actions 'all the Swiss' committed that some of us keep using as an excuse to muddy the dichtomy of the situation, are things we did much worse in.

My question is why single the country out?
Name one outright bad thing that Switzerland alone has done- or at least, another country can claim superiority over.

I'd definitely say it has the moral high ground against the likes of George W Bush.

Needing to recollect what a country did 70 years ago to try to defend the reputation of a country today being caught out doing the wrong thing is a poor argument.
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 10:51:40 PM
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I would have thought that was obvious, King Hazza.

>>My question is why single the country out?<<

I didn't "single them out". They did that themselves, with their farcical "indict Bush" campaign.

I simply drew attention to their government's historic moral and ethical standing for taking that step.

>>I'd definitely say it has the moral high ground against the likes of George W Bush.<<

Which is precisely where you and I disagree. "Moral high ground" and "Switzerland" simply don't go together in my opinion.

>>Needing to recollect what a country did 70 years ago to try to defend the reputation of a country today being caught out doing the wrong thing is a poor argument.<<

Nowhere did I defend any country's reputation. As I tried to make clear, "I make these points only in the context of the current activity of their 'Human Rights' movement."

A simple case of people in a glass house, flinging rocks.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 10 February 2011 1:52:36 PM
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Arjay, you didn't actually read what I wrote, did you?

>>Of 10,000 respondants, 77% said they did not believe in the official Govt version of Muslim terrorists doing 911<<

As I pointed out, the survey did not ask the question "do you believe in the official Govt version of Muslim terrorists doing 911"

The question that was posed to readers of the article read "Do you think Kevin Bracken's comments were reasonable?"

From this, your propagandists derived the headline:

"Two thirds of Australians Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job"

Phoooey. It shows no such thing, and you (should) know it.

As for:

>>The 911 truth movement in Aust,has 300 active members<<

There is a primary school just around the corner with the same number of "active members". None of whom belongs to the 911 truth movement. I somehow doubt that either statistic proves anything at all.

>>Where does that leave you Pericles?<<

Very much in the majority, I would have thought.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 10 February 2011 2:03:10 PM
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