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Bush Cancels Swiss Visit for fear of Indictment

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Hasbeen- I had no idea the entire Swiss nation works for the bank!
That's news.
And for the record, the Swiss Bank is indeed quite evil for the reasons given.
I just find it rather peculiar that Switzerland is the only country that is being judged by what a corporation within itself does- a standard, I point out, we do NOT hold ourselves to or any other country.
And George being more moral?
Let's see, bombing two countries and raking in a death-toll in the six-digit numbers, buying oil and selling WEAPONS to Islamist dictatorships that chop heads off people, and creating an illegal torture-camp- and then trying to secretly negotiate to smuggle Islamic extremists into western countries in an attempt to close the prison, is most definitely less evil than allowing one of your corporations to do banking for some of the most evil people in the world.

Belly- for the records it was the SWEDISH (from Scandinavia), not the Swiss who are persecuting Julian Assange on a fabricated rubbish charge (surprise sex) and trying to avoid adhering to proper legal procedures in order to get him:
The Swiss have been one of the few countries to have offered to protect him and Wikileaks.
Posted by King Hazza, Tuesday, 8 February 2011 11:44:14 PM
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Your rose-tinted glasses do you great credit, King Hazza.

>>Pericles you could go all kinds of directions with what a major bank in a country does. And that aside, being a neutral country I assumed it was free to trade with whoever it liked as if nothing were wrong<<

You are right, of course. But only in a technical sense. Any government that knows that its Banks are operating a safe haven for stolen goods, but chooses to turn a blind eye is, in my view, equally culpable.

Or perhaps you are suggesting they did not know?

How do you suppose the Nazis knew that the Swiss Banks were eager to receive vast amounts of gold and valuables from them, "no questions asked"?

Intuition? ESP?

It is also instructive to put this in the context of the Swiss government's general appeasement of the Nazi war objectives. They did this because otherwise they would be invaded, and annexed. This they justified to their citizenry on the basis that they were protecting their best interests - much as Pétain justified Vichy France.

Switzerland collaborated with the Nazis. There really isn't any other way to describe their actions.

http://www.adl.org/braun/dim_14_1_neutrality_europe.asp

I make these points only in the context of the current activity of their "Human Rights" movement.

As with many of their decisions, this is "government by abdication of responsibility", and is thoroughly typical of the country and its narrow-focussed, self-obsessed people.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 8:17:16 AM
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Pericles,some of the narrowly focused self obsessed people have the right idea.Bush Rumsfeld,Cheney etc should be held accountable,but I fear it won't happen.It is rather funny now all these criminals have to watch which country has extradition treaties with Switzerland.

The puppets like Bush could be being set up to take the whole wrap since now the truth is coming out.Google Geraldo Rivera 911.He is on Fox News saying Truthers are not the nut jobs he thought.The evidence of WTC 7 is on there.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 8:36:30 AM
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Arjay, just a suggestion

>>Google Geraldo Rivera 911.He is on Fox News saying Truthers are not the nut jobs he thought.<<

Presenting Geraldo Rivera and Fox News in support of your nutjob views does absolutely nothing positive for your argument whatsoever.

It's like claiming that an unaudited online poll of Herald Sun readers indicates that two thirds of Australians believe that 9/11 was an inside job. It raises doubts over your credibility.

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-10-20/australian-union-president-questions-911-pm-responds

The question that was posed to readers of the article read "Do you think Kevin Bracken's comments were reasonable?"

From this, your propagandists derived the headline:

"Two thirds of Australians Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job"

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october222010/aussies-911-gd.php

Do you see what I mean? There is not an honest statistician alive who would support that process as being remotely representative of... well, anything at all, really.

The reality of the situation is that if there were any factual substance behind your allegations, the press of the world would be on it like a rat up a drainpipe - they absolutely love this stuff. Regrettably, they are unable to present one single verifiable and supportable fact.

Everything about the "inside job" story depends upon the linkage of so much speculative "what if" circumstances, that it wouldn't clear the bar of even the most lenient rules of evidence.

have a great day.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 9:23:12 AM
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Actually Pericles I have no rose-colored tint at all:
It's a matter that people have a rose-colored tint for themselves, but merely NOT for the Swiss, instead seeing blood on, really, the basis that they were NOT helping us stop OUR enemy- for all the blood, sweat and tears we shed to fight the Nazis, the Swiss continued relations- It's nothing but distaste.

And to reply:

-Refusing Jewish refugees based on racism, sometimes returning them to the Nazis: "We will decide who comes into this country and the conditions which we come"- We do the exact same thing- including those fleeing ethnic cleansing and war-zones.
The problem is, as I feel I benefit from our discriminatory refugee policy, I realize even though I would be against turning away Jewish refugees, and standing against saving the victims of the Nazi genocide, I still have no basis to point fingers when I am just as guilty.

-Trading in property stolen from genocide and war-crime victims. Another thing we are all guilty of. Every colonial Western country has committed that same offense (and stopped not too long before WW2- largely due to these countries siding with the Nazis- the enemy of their enemies). Today, any country allowing the trade of African diamonds, Middle East oil, or underworld Central-American Cocaine, and any other commodity stained with blood, are just as guilty as the bank itself.

-Trading with Nazi Germany in general- again, there seems to be some confusion that a neutral country is somehow not supposed to trade with countries that are the enemies of OTHER countries. Keep in mind we were quite happy to cooperate with the Soviet Union to overthrow the Nazis- even letting them have Eastern Europe to oppress. As for appeasement we were more than happy to abandon the Czechs and Serbians to the Nazis ourselves in exchange for their mercy before they attacked Poland too

Why do the Swiss refuse to acknowledge they allowed trade with monsters? Same reason we ignore everything we've done to the Aborigines- it's simply too awful for ourselves to own up to
Posted by King Hazza, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 1:12:38 PM
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*guaranteeing the depositors anonymity, so that if they happened to "disappear". no-one could come a-knocking for the loot?*

So Pericles, are you condeming the Swiss, for taking the loot from
those who gained it illegally? Sounds quite moral to me :)

Numbered accounts are simply that. If you stash your loot in a
bank and tell nobody that you have it there and nobody the number,
well that is hardly a smart thing to do.

Most money tucked away in Swiss banks is actually from tax evasion
and in Switzerland, tax evasion is not considered a crime, unlike
tax fraud. The Swiss consider tax evasion as a natural human
predicament. How many on this thread, have always been 100% honest
with their tax payments? Honestly now.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 1:45:47 PM
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