ALGOREisRICH:>> Ulimately it boils down to the democratic process.. so to talk about rights is to me.. rather irrational.<<

Exactly right Al, no rights as such, just laws and societal acceptance which is of itself a democratic process where the majority holds sway. The eroding of that majority voice by putting caveats on what can be discussed is a fifth column of social engineers eroding our right to an opinion.

I can't see that there is not a valid and legitimate reason of there being “gays” - hermaphrodites do exist in nature, and any action by any person to damage their ability to live a natural life is not to be encouraged or allowed. According to medical reports, the determination of the difference of what sex a person is going to be, rests on two chromosomes and it has been a quirk of nature that this pops up in unexpected people. If this happens in nature where it can be explained with the belief that some portion of that particular chromosome (if this is possible) can exist in any other person, and care has to be taken, not to harm those people, they have no protection against such a condition. Is it natures way to see if we are really tolerant?

diver dan:

Your are entitled to your opinions and your world. However what you're not entitled - is to try to impose them on others. And just because you think something is right/and or wrong does not necessarily make it so - it's merely your opinion. As for the statistics that I quoted - they're actually not mine and are not irrelevant - they came out of several sociological research studies taken from a sociology text book - Ian Robertson's, "Sociology."

AGIR:

Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business.

Dear Lexi... what people do in private is their business..agreed.

If 'that' is as far as it goes.

But we both know...it isn't!

As I said.. it's never about 'equality' it's about DOMINANCE.

Here is the logic/reasoning.

a)I am a sexual deviate.. but I want you to regard me as normal.
b)In order to achieve 'normality'.. we must lobby G'ment and re-educate the community.
c)Our re-education must go so far as to shut down opinion sites we dislike..and implant our ideogy into the primary school or secondary school sex ed programs.
d) We must manipulate high profile opinion leaders to the point where they are embarrased or ashamed to speak their true feelings about our deviance.
e) We must infiltrate such bodies as "Human Rights" commissions to ensure that our side is always successful in complaints, and the other group (right wing or conservatives) are rejected/dismissed.

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This same reasoning can be applied to the issue of intergenerational sex..and there are people out there who wilL SWEAR they were born that way (predisposed toward sex with minors, pre-pubescents)
Please don't insult me with any plattitudes about "Oh but that's a crime"...rubbish... it IS a crime for now..but the whole of Islamic society doesn't regard that as a crime if the Quran is to be believed.

65:4
Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

I'm quite happy to explore the exegesis/interpretation of that passage if you wish.

AGIR:

You're entitled to your opinion - and that's all it is. As David f., said to you on the "we/they" thread, "I deeply disagree with you, but I shall try to do so politely." Although if the right buttons are pushed I could say, "Lord, save me from your zealous followers!"

Lexi:

Obviously you are out-maneuvered and out-classed on this subject. You have lost the debate.