Sonofgloin <"Suze I said Elton and his missus, you said Elton and his husband, who suckles the child? What a conundrum."

Are you suggesting that anyone (women included) who cannot, for whatever reason, suckle a child should not be fit to be a parent then?

Gay people have a right to all the same freedoms as everyone else.
Otherwise there would not be the freedom of speech, or anything else, we currently enjoy in our country.

I say again, why not start another thread on homosexuality and freedom on another thread, rather than hijacking this one?

'Freedom of speech' is

Code for 'right to vilify'

According to some

Shintaro:

I admire the tenacity of suseonline who has the guts and garters to step out with an opinion and voice a view. A sniper is a coward Shintaro

diver dan:

So let me get this straight. When I wrote that the "Moral Majority" is Neither. You claim that it is both (in your world) and you're proud of that fact. So you decide what is right and what is wrong.
Everything is possible - just not too probable. Moral indignation is in most cases 2% moral, 48% indignation, and 50% envy.

Lexi:

“ So let me get this straight. When I wrote that the "Moral Majority" is Neither. You claim that it is both (in your world) and you're proud of that fact. So you decide what is right and what is wrong”

…In my world…yes! The sole arbiter, judge and maker of my own bed.

Next:
Everything is possible - just not too probable. Moral indignation is in most cases 2% moral, 48% indignation, and 50% envy”

The last statement is your own view and statistics, and remain irrelevant: Unless, of course, you wish to push on from there in your own direction!

Dear Sus...you raise some interesting points. Let's annnalyse them :)

Gay people have a right to all the same freedoms as everyone else.

ok.. let's take the first bit.

Gay people

Racist people.

Nazi people.

Murderers

Child molestors

Do each of those have the same 'rights' to be or pursue their chosen lifestyle? if not...why not ?

It is clear that 'rights' are something NO one has.. what they have is the legal permission to do such and such..but NOT such and such else.

So the concept of 'rights' is moot, what matters is...LAW.

The primary reason for denial of some freedoms to Gays is... the 'moral' dimension of Gay life.

If more people feel it is 'immoral' they can make laws which prohibit it. Who is to say they are wrong? certainly not you in Australia to they in Ghana or somewhere.

The Moral dimension is what divides behavior into 'good/right' and 'evil/wrong'.

The issue then becomes.. "on what basis are moral judgements made?"

Mans law?
God's law?

If "Man's" law.. anything goes. It's just a matter of time (Singer and his pet sheep)

If GOD's law.. many things DON'T go...

Ulimately it boils down to the democratic process.. so to talk about rights is to me.. rather irrational.