There's no real difference, Boaz.

>>I know you'd like to find a way of conflating the 2 together but I don't feel it's justified on the facts.<<

You choose to describe the Deuteronomy example as a crime.

>>The punishment for disobedient children or the various acts which incurred death were: Known to all concerned as a divine punishment/Judgement for specific things done wrong. You do the crime...you do the time.<<

Broaching the topic of following a different religion with "thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend" is a fairly arbitrary "crime", I would have thought.

Nevertheless, you are quite right, in that consciously flouting the rule incurs a known religious result: death, by stoning.

Similarly, if you are a Canaanite who chooses to follow Moloch, you have also committed yourself to the path that says "I know where this can lead".

In both instances you perform an act for which the outcome is known. Choosing to call one of them a crime does not alter this simple fact.

Posted by AJ Philips:>> forgetting for a second how pathetically inadequate the ten commandments are, if a god exists, then we do not have free will and this is an insurmountable problem for Christians.<<

AJ, what a pain the 350 word limit is, so thanks for your reply. In short you are welcome to your views and you will not get a wide ranging discussion from me on religion, but I will address this comment:

>>Forgetting for a second how pathetically inadequate the ten commandments are, <<

Let us list the last five commandments in an opposite or anti format.

5. STUFF YOUR MUM AND DAD, and look forward to the same from your kids when they become stronger than you.
6. KILL ANYBODY ANYTIME, but wear a flak jacket constantly when in public.
7. SCREW AROUND ON YOUR MRS, and look forward to seeing your mates walking out of your wife’s bedroom in their undies.
8. IF YOU WANT IT TAKE IT, but look forward to staying at home to protect your possessions day and night from the neighbors.
9. LIE TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT, but be prepared to defend yourself relentlessly from false allegations.
10. SCHEME TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT ABOUT WHAT YOUR NEIGHBOUR HAS, but save some time to combat the other neighbour who is relentlessly scheming to divest you.

Really AJ, if you do not see the worth of the last five of Gods commandments you are a dill.

Dear SOG...if ONNNNLY you knew what video I've just been watching!

Man alive.. for your information..unless you are all full bottle on it..

have a look (everyone) at THIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training

It's a bit difficult to contextualize without much more background but essentially this is it..

FREUD came up with the idea "the subconscious contains dark primal drive and must be harnessed and controlled"

One of his students RIECH challenged him and said "We must EXPRESS all those primal drives and 'self actualize'"

His thoughts were taken up by the Hippie movement. EST seminars were the place where you got in touch with those subconscious primalities and rebuilt your true naked 'self' as you wished. (see the connection to your inversion of the decalogue ?)

AJ says:
<<then we do not have free will and this is an insurmountable problem for Christians.>>

No AJ..I suggest it is an insurmountable problem for one who's theology is flawed. Ultimately, God is sovereign. The interace between 'free will' and divine election is where time and eternity meet. Our minds cannot leap into the eternal. Romans 9 would make a good read for you.

IMPORTANT.....for those who have never seen this... it's an absolute 'must see'...seriously..

Century of the self. Parts 1 to 4

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#docid=-6707640545017425209 part 1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#docid=-678466363224520614 part 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#docid=-6111922724894802811 part 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6718420906413643126#docid=1122532358497501036 Part 4

Add to this mix...and with a tie in to the 60s period is

History of Political correctness

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#

Every Aussie should know these things and it will revolutionize your outlook on ethics ....and life.

Peter Hume,
So Singer in his view is reverting to the Papal position of Ethics. One voice one view. The World has seen how one body administers ethics on society and the consequences for desent. Obviously Singer is a controll freak.
PH Quote - "It is enough to dismiss Singer outright as a dangerous creep to know that he thinks the United Nations - of all people - should be administering the ethical standards of the world"!

I feel like JFK.:) Corruption, lies , caught-out , and the full of sh@t, we can all See...the smarter you think you are...the bigger fools you make of yourselves.

Just keep going............the new texted shall read........" you will only find dip-sh@ts, when one see,s themselves.

So...the whole world wants to go back too square one! LOL......Ok........don't say you weren't warned.

WOW! Ten too fifteen billion people on this planet, and all the so-called intell ones can do, is stick a ban-aid on it....LOL

Yes....your all earning your money:)

NEXT!

BLU