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I got an electricity bill for $80 bill for this month. Yes, I know, hard to believe, but it happened this way.

A few months back I saw the electricity company little Suzuki 4WD pull up nose into my gate. A little dark skinned man, who I later found has very poor English got out.

He leaned against the gate, peering left & right, apparently looking from the "Monster from the Black Lagoon". I don't know that he thought the gate would do, a determined cow can push through the 4 strand wire fence beside the gate.

He then got back into the car, & drove off. I watched this performance from my open shed door, 35 meters from the gate, where I & the dog were working on an old car.

Imagine my annoyance when a few days later I got a huge $700 electricity bill, $270 higher than for the same period a year ago. Not only that, the bill stated that the meter was read on the date of my little mans visit. Yes read, not estimated.

I almost felt sorry for the little lady who copped mt complaint. Unlike Telecom call centre staff, at least she spoke English I could understand. I did hear a sharp intake of breath when I mentioned taking action for fraud.

This may be why she told me they had many complaints about meter reading. When I suggested they should sack this useless twit, she explained they just can't do that, & they all ready have too many in make believe work. Besides our bloke was one of the better ones. Something told me this was one of those calls NOT being taped for "training" purposes.

The $80 corrects a years overcharging.

I am so sick of the bleeding heart brigade forcing this rubbish on our country. To say I would like to do something, with the sharp end of a pineapple, to the entire staff of the Equal Opportunity Commission, [or what ever they are called] would be putting it far too mildly.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 16 December 2010 12:28:08 PM
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Goooooo HASBEEN :)

Sickem boy.... give em hellllll !
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 17 December 2010 6:10:04 AM
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unsure you got a win

one day they read the meter
then every penny due..is collected

its worth checking ya own meter readings
cause in the end..one brave soul..will read it anyhow

recently..a charity..got an adjusted bill
seems they had been gustimating his bill..under his actual usage

now he owes them..thousands

its funny..threats dont usually work
the cost of law is simply speaking too high..[and they know it]
try reporting it to cops..they simply laught..persist they call you vexatious litangant..and you wont even be heard in court

they know..all they need do..is cut off the power
they are in the drivers seat...read your own meter..before complaining
Posted by one under god, Friday, 17 December 2010 6:57:20 AM
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Are we to infer from Hasbeen's rant
(and ALGORE's puerile barracking)
that he attributes the meter reader's
failure to do his job properly to the
fact that he is "dark skinned" and
has "very poor English"?

If so, then I would suggest that the OP
is nothing more than a racist troll.

If the meter reader is not doing his job
then there are measures that his employer
can take, including dismissal. Hasbeen
hasn't explained what the colour of the guy's
skin or his poor English has to do with his
poor performance, undoubtedly because it
has nothing to do with it, except in his
apparently racist mind.

Shame on you, Hasbeen and ALGORE. And shame
on whoever approved this racist troll of
a 'discussion'.
Posted by talisman, Friday, 17 December 2010 7:16:34 AM
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Yeah, I have noticed the extreme increase in my energy bills compared to last year. So have we all.

I just can't fathom what this has to do with "dark skin" and "poor English".

Yup, talisman, another rather bigoted topic on OLO. Who'da thunk it?
Posted by Johnny Rotten, Friday, 17 December 2010 8:24:16 AM
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I liked the “dark skin” and “poor English” and “pineapple” bits in the story, added comedy and interest to what would have been a really boring power bill complaint.

And I’m crap with accents so when I get thick accents along with poor English on the phone it drives me up the bloody wall and I don’t feel helped in any way. If a whole bunch of Scottish people moved here I’d be a mess, I find it the hardest of all accents to cope with.

And the dark skinned bloke didn’t make any attempt to read the meter and then lied about it. It might be acceptable practice where the dude comes from so him being from elsewhere might be important and the frustration it causes makes sense to me - even if Hasbeen seems to be willing to use fruit as a weapon which I strongly object to.

Why not just say sharp end of a fruit? Why Pineapple and not a guava? I accuse him of fruit favoritism!

I will now walk away disgusted, shaking my head mumbling to myself.
Posted by Jewely, Friday, 17 December 2010 9:08:24 AM
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Dear talisman (CJ in drag) we can always rely on you to 'sniff out a racist' can't we :)

"Yeah, I have noticed the extreme increase in my energy bills compared to last year. So have we all."

It might interest you to know that I've been slugged HEAPS more in my electricity bill as well..and when I recommend Hasbeen giving hell I'm talking about the COMPANIES... the skin color of the 'meter reader' is irrelevant, because with our new SMART meters they will be redundant and unemployed.

Remember? SMART meters=>Greens=>Landis and Gyr=>Kathy Zoi=> Al Gore and his Demobrat/Green socialist alliance.

Now that I've fixed your head.. please remain fixed for at least a few weeks...k?
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 17 December 2010 10:08:27 AM
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I suggest he get a front bench position with the current Government. He would certainly fit in.
Posted by runner, Friday, 17 December 2010 10:41:07 AM
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Not quite so fast Talisman.

To start with I was left in no doubt that "the electricity company" would not be able to sack this bloke, due to his ethnicity. This was one area of my complaint. If employees are lying on their reports, they should be sacked.

Secondly, I have Tinnitus. It's a damn nuisance. I can not decipher one voice from a number of voices, or from background music in badly produced movies or TV.

I also have great difficulty deciphering words from heavily accented speech. As an Ozzie, who has payed their taxes for a great number of years, I should not be made uncomfortable in my own home. I stop doing business, where ever possible, with companies who put me in this situation. The public face of any company should have adequate English to do their job, to the satisfaction of the customer.

I have closed my account with an oil company, & a phone company, when I found myself connected to overseas call centers. I refuse to struggle with their accents. If enough of us did this, the jobs might come back to Oz.

The fact that the same meter reader will continue to read my meter, no matter which company I have my account with, does not help with my annoyance, at lousy service, & lousy government policy.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 17 December 2010 10:46:30 AM
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I can understand why someone might start
a discussion about inflated electricity bills.
As Johnny Rotten says, we're all experiencing
that.

I can also understand why someone would be
upset at catching a meter reader out in falsifying
his meter reading. That is quite a serious allegation
and I'm surprised that the electricity company
didn't take it seriously.

I can even understand (at a stretch) how if you
have the misfortune to suffer tinnitus then you
could find people's foreign accents annoying.
But in this case we are told that the person who
dealt with Hasbeen's complaint was understandable
("unlike Telecom call centre staff"). I'm not sure
what the relevance is of the meter reader's "very
poor English", given that on his own account Hasbeen
didn't actually speak to the man.

What I don't understand at all is what possible
relevance the man's "dark skin" or the Equal
Opportunity Commission have to Hasbeen's complaint
about his power bill.

On the other hand, I'm not at all surprised that
ALGORE responded so well to the dog whistle,
and also can find support in Hasbeen's story
for his Socialist uber conspiracy theory.
Posted by talisman, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:38:12 AM
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You are so gullible, Hasbeen.

>>To start with I was left in no doubt that "the electricity company" would not be able to sack this bloke, due to his ethnicity.<<

She's a call-centre jockey.

She does not make company policy.

What she was doing, of course, was softening you up.

She did this in your case by pandering to the prejudices you had clearly displayed in your complaint. It is a well known technique, used by many of the smarter operators, where they pretend to take your viewpoint as their own. This is quite a disarmimg ploy for many people, and allows the call-centre chick to close off the call in the shortest possible time. Which is, after all, how they are measured, and earn their pay.

By the way...

>>Something told me this was one of those calls NOT being taped for "training" purposes.<<

Thing is, there is no way the call-centre droid could know whether it was, or it was not, being recorded. It is agreed when they take the job, as part of their terms and conditions of employment, that they would be listened to without prior notice.

Nice rant, though. I'm sure it felt a lot better, getting that off your chest. I'm only surprised you didn't describe him in more, errr... forceful terms, than merely a "little dark skinned man, who I later found has very poor English"

Showed immense restraint on your part. Well done.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 17 December 2010 11:44:59 AM
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"little dark skinned man, who I later found has very poor English"
if this individual had dark complexion & was challenged in height then as what on earth else could Hasbeen have described him ??
Before this idiotic diversion by Talisman & that Rotten character the point was an incompetent employee not reading the meter & then making a false statement resulting in an excessive bill. Can I say bill or should it be a william ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 17 December 2010 2:00:00 PM
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Not one of your better posts bloke.
Your words convict you dark skinned little poor English the list is strong and rude.
However you convict your self with your words about the bill.
You speak of 200 and something over last bill, every one knows we are being robbed.
Then say you got 80 plus back for a years over charging.
Now respect, we all like that word.
We all understand it, demand it if it is given to us.
You seem to fall in with worse in under 30,s they never give a thought to others never give respect but never forget to demand it from others.
not impressed mate.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 17 December 2010 2:15:54 PM
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individual, if Hasbeen's point was "an incompetent
employee not reading the meter & then making a false
statement resulting in an excessive bill", then he
could simply have made that point. What have the
meter reader's complexion and English comprehension
got to do with that point?

Instead of writing "A little dark skinned man,
who I later found has very poor English got out",
Hasbeen could simply have written "the meter reader
got out".

But that wouldn't have conveyed quite the same
message, would it?
Posted by talisman, Friday, 17 December 2010 2:19:59 PM
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Hasbeen, I wish I had a dog like yours that could help work on the car.
My mate had a dog that was an engineer - every time he tried to give it a bath, it made a bolt for the door.
I'm surprised that, when you called to complain, you didn't get a call centre with more gibberish speakers.
The only racism here is the fact that the electricity company can't sack him for not doing his job properly (they could have sacked a White worker with no complaints from anyone).
It's similar to the laughable 'affirmative action' that the yanks have to suffer.
Posted by Austin Powerless, Friday, 17 December 2010 3:25:13 PM
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Hasbeen:

I actually have a similar tale to tell. Not about the meter reader (never saw them) but our electricity bill arrived and it was way over what it should have been and I also noticed that the reading on the bill was an "estimated" reading and not an actual reading which I thought a bit odd, as out meter is very accessible. So I rang the company to query the bill. The woman tried her best to explain things away, but I ended up writing a letter anyway. So, guess what - we eventually received a very apologetic letter from the company with a full refund to being over charged on our bill. It does pay to question bills.
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 17 December 2010 8:03:23 PM
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Yes, everyone's power bills have increased- obviously they will never decrease unless we switch to solar power.

No, it makes absolutely NO difference whether the meter readers are black, white, red or yellow, OR whether they have problems with English or not.

A disgraceful, racist thread that should never have seen the light of day.
Posted by suzeonline, Friday, 17 December 2010 10:05:48 PM
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As Yabby points out Hasbeen 'its to pay for all those expensive power lines and poles' LOL...my house was vacant for 6 weeks with one of my children ill [therefore, was crashing into bed exhausted late of a night and am gone each day], with the exception of the fridge, no electricity had been used for this period/account.

A $350 electricity bill arrived in which I politely explained the story to the State's provider. The water bill for the same period was $200.

"you will need to pay these as this is the reading we have".

When I find the time during January it may be a good idea to request all meter readings for 2010 in hard copy.
Posted by we are unique, Saturday, 18 December 2010 1:59:35 AM
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Hasbeen you and I may have something in common.
I am willing to bet you wish you could re craft that post.
I have done just that a few times.
As we get older we should think before leaping from the Cliff top.
I will forever condemn racism or class distinctions.
You bloke, and me, a former union official, KNOW public endeavors are not producing value for money.
Nothing to do with out door personnel.
History binds them to a path of not being able to give the results we must have.
Public utility's once employed those who could not get a job any other place.
A tradition built up ,you can not get sacked unless you sleep with the bosses wife.
Some have worked only there,and for 30/40/50 years.
A CULTURE so bad you can never know it unless you have been caught in the spider Webb, political correctness is an imposable barrier to progress.
Your complaint may have been handled by a women who had the task of answering the phone ,but ran the office by her command and no one dare say no.
It happens.
managers better placed out in the Field shovel in hand let this take place.
over charging is rampart we can, with good will hard effort both keep the jobs and clean out the rubbish, it will take many skip bins.
Bloke I think we will never cuddle each other but the real you, may be closer to the one about dogs.
PS my dog did bolt, her bath took place but the scratch in my arm is deep and about 300mm long.
She is the pound puppy off the two and will be on my lap after this.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 18 December 2010 5:07:43 AM
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Ok Talisman,
when a little dark or light skinned man takes off with your boyfriend's handbag & the police asks you for a description then you just have to accept that the thief will never be caught because you can't describe him.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 18 December 2010 8:26:02 AM
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That was quite a funny joke about the engineer
dog, Austin Powerless.

No humour in your response to the 'dog whistle',
though. Ditto with individual.

If the issue is about people being overcharged
on their electricity bills due to an employee
not doing his job, then the colour of the
miscreant worker's skin is irrelevant, as is
his command of English. Obviously, the energy
company would have records about which meter
reader works in a particular area, so being
able to identify him wouldn't come into it.

On the other hand, if the issue is their
employment of "dark skinned" people with limited
English to read electricity meters, then the
negligent meter reader's complexion and language
skills would be relevant to those who like to
attribute dishonesty and poor performance to
racial factors.

The reason that the OP offended and interested
me is that it seemed that Hasbeen was expressing
his anger at increasing energy costs through
inference to completely irrelevant racial and
cultural attributes. I suspect that we'll see
a lot more of this kind of dumb scapegoating once
increases in energy costs really start to bite in
the near future.
Posted by talisman, Saturday, 18 December 2010 10:30:35 AM
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My atempt to help hasbeen out of the hole he dug himself in to may have been a bad idea.
Indvidual? not to sure I want to offer help but should try.
Hard we never agree on anything, that makes me proud, but here goes.
Us oldys get cranky in our last two decades.
Some think its our ability to laugh that dies first, truely.
Some of us show symptoms of youth envy, oh we seem not to be wrong in reminding our selves things are not as they once where, but are they better for the difference.
Any one here cried silently on rewatching a southern USA real linching of a black man?
Can we watch those scenes of ww2 consertration camps with dry eyes and a cold heart.
Do we stand and cheer as some one like Tiger woods wins another tornerment but talk about little black men in private.
I think racists, some minoritys are quite racist too,are of little use to humanity.
It may be the older some get the further from fairness they wander.
And to my amazement they seem proud to be wrong, indy are you reading this?
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 18 December 2010 1:03:50 PM
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Thank you Talisman and Johnny Rotten, it is good that there are others using this site that notice the bigoted banter and don't go into a feeding frenzy.
Yes Hasbeen i feel for your problems over the power, we all have the same but what are you so angry about, lack of service and incompetence are hallmarks of the modern free market economy.
Posted by nairbe, Saturday, 18 December 2010 2:50:02 PM
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I find that very self righteous Nairbe.
Are you content to let a form of racism past.
Bigoted banter, me? you enforce my view greens are out of touch and live in a world I want nothing to do with.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 18 December 2010 6:23:14 PM
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Can't half you lot read?

I am angry at being cheated. I have been charged for estimated meter readings, my account stated they were actual readings.

These estimates were done by a lazy incompetent lying little man, who did not do his job, but claimed to have done it.

I have been informed this is not a sacking offence, because of his ethnicity.

My bill of only $80 for a quarter's electricity was the bill after a proper reading showed my actual usage. I had been overcharged $520 on previous bills, because of this mans lying.

As usual Talisman, & Suzy & a few others, trot out the racist card, when they have no other weapon left to defend their position. If I had said he was a lying 6ft 6inch white Hells Angel, with a big black beard, would that have been racist? It should be in your eyes, as the description I used was just as accurate.

Wake up to your selves people, or we will end up with cheating, & lying our standard fare.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 18 December 2010 6:33:25 PM
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Oh dear.....that racism word again...naughty naughty:)maybe its that time of the month again. Nice to see the Brady bunch back on T.V with the usual love and contentment. Hasbeen! You should of used the appropriate code words like......porch monkey or dip-stick.....you just might of got away with it:) Dont feel too bad about it........I mean we all get a case of foot in mouth disease from time to time.

Its all good:)

BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 18 December 2010 9:21:51 PM
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[from hasbeen’s first post]

<< …where I & the dog were working on an old car. >>

Let me guess: Dogs-body was lying on his back under the car, holding up the drive-shaft while his understudy has-body was replacing the universal joint! ( :>/

Hehehe… woof!

<< Something told me this was one of those calls NOT being taped for "training" purposes.>>

Mmmm Hmm Hmwaaa mwhahahaa!
.
.

Hey, seriously, I share your frustrations hasbeen and good on you for expressing them here.
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 18 December 2010 10:18:56 PM
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Helloooow CJ…. Ooow, I mean talisman.

Trust you to concentrate on the racist element, which is just so completely not the point of this thread!

Pfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpfpffffffffffffffffffffffffff!!
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 18 December 2010 10:28:22 PM
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Hasbeen mate, you are a classic, wandering around the yard bum out of your pants, no reg Grundy's, and thinking I can not see it so no one else can.
You and your fan club, try to reinvent your post,it was about price we are told.
Not about hight color ethnicity or inability to speak English,you then say he could not be sacked because of the latter.
Put your insulting view forward by all means but be brave enough to stand by them or say sorry got it wrong,we all do you know.
QUESTION for the fan club, is it EVER ok to *deliberately * highlight race or the host of things hasbeen did here to undermine ANY PERSON?
I QUESTION CAN YOU HASBEEN READ YOUR OWN POSTS?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 19 December 2010 6:37:24 AM
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If reference to complexion is racist then 99% of aust. indigenous must be racist because it is a many times a day occurance that I hear indigenous & their children say hey, white man whenever they don't know a (white) persons name. How would our racist OLO resident react if I called out to any indigenous whose name I don't know as hey, black man.
It makes me feel to be of as low a standard as CJ by even responding but things need to be told.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 19 December 2010 9:14:24 AM
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I cant say what I think or I will get banned again.
Posted by mikk, Sunday, 19 December 2010 9:56:38 AM
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Isn't it odd that no-one's got their knickers into a twist re the word bugger? Surely someone must feel offended.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 19 December 2010 4:33:54 PM
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Individual once more I will try.
I have done so often.
Tried for common ground with you.
even after you made the claim I am biased and only say pro labor things.
Many times you have offended me,probably the reverse is true too.
Please think about your posts.
I am not offended by the word bugger I am an old one,sometimes silly one hopefully still hard one.
I use the word everyday.
You made that up, it came out of your head did it not.
Individual you can not surely pretend ANYONE was offend by only that word or even by it.
You have the benefit of the doubt here mate,I doubt you are aware how wrong it is to defame anyone in racist terms.
Some one , can not remember who but has had an impact on the world, used these words Father forgive them they know not what they do.
Individual I forgive you.
But advise you too,read the thread befor commenting ok?
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 19 December 2010 4:47:01 PM
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The point is that most of the meter reading employees perform rough estimates [whatever the origin of their nationalities]on most occasions. The guy was probably a little concerned about farm dogs chasing and/or biting, quite a few people are apprehensive visiting properties to undertake work not knowing the farmers.

Belly the world or Australians do not hold the views that Hasbeen has expressed on this particular issue.

He reminds me of the one great uncle I had that wasnt so great 40 years ago uttering the odd racist comment - a product of his narrow minded ignorant times/years. He was corrected each time by family, yet never admitted the wrongdoing.
Posted by we are unique, Sunday, 19 December 2010 6:50:25 PM
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Belly,
Wasn't specifically referring to you but if you have a guilty conscience?

The point was the power bill and the lack of proper service in the gathering of data for the production of the account. Well don't like the rises in power but who does, otherwise country energy read my metre every three months. Often see the bloke and he dosen't care about my dog so i must be lucky i guess, getting service when you ring them is another storey.

As for the bigotry issue, i am sure many of you don't notice just how often such comments are made. Personally started to really pick up on it a few years ago when friends from Europe pointed it out to me when visiting. At the time i thought their comment that Australians are seen as racist over seas was a bit far fetched but when i see this sort of thing said constantly i start to see the point.

"A little dark skinned man, who I later found has very poor English got out."

No matter how just in passing this was said it was still bigoted and typifies the problem. Is it really alright even though it was not the point of the comment?
Posted by nairbe, Sunday, 19 December 2010 8:16:47 PM
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I think it is time to leave this thread.
Not going to add a log to what can become a fire.
But not going to leave with my tail between my legs.
Nairbe,be more ex plaintive in future,and less self righteous too please.
I think more than one contributor should read every post after their last, before commenting.
And NEVER will I stop standing against racism.
How Nairbe did you wade in to Hasbeens theme and see only its complaint about pricing?
I read and understood it,even highlighted it is true,we are being robbed, but questioned percentages quoted.
Two posters Individuals hasbeen, needlessly defended a racist comment.
I stand by my view and think I must leave the thread without a retraction this thread is not good for my country's image.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 20 December 2010 5:01:02 AM
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Belly,
"How Nairbe did you wade in to Hasbeens theme and see only its complaint about pricing?"

I didn't, all i saw was the bigoted comment. That is what slapped me in the face. As for the whole power issue well i could get a dam sight more self righteous. How about instead of standing there thinking god knows what, Hasbeen could have called out to this bloke and introduced him self. Clearly the guy was nervous about the property and may have had a run in with the dog previously (only a suggestion not fact). As for power prices, yep they hurt because we have paid the most unrealistically cheap rates for so long that now we need to pay someone must be blamed. Service is poor but honestly Australia is notorious for its poor service.
Belly, you tend to try to be too nice all the time. The equal of my lapses into self righteousness is your falling into bouts of negative self pity. I feel passionate about the bigoted attitude in this country that is laughed off as a joke or sense of humour. It isn't funny.
Posted by nairbe, Monday, 20 December 2010 6:00:29 AM
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Two posters Individuals hasbeen, needlessly defended a racist comment.
Belly,
in a couple of years from now several other words will become racist. Hasbeen's remarks are not racist as far as I can see. But then, I live in communities where reference to complexion is so frequent that no-one takes any notice. So, what is the fact ! Who can actually say it was racist ? Just because one mutt (usually CJ) thinks so doesn't make it such. Another mutt doesn't thinks so is another fact. So we have two facts. I think it's high time this nonsense stops. There are people out there who get shafted by authorities every day & no one gets upset there. If people really want to be selfrightous then get involved in defending actual discrimination. Give the power company hell as well as the other hell-deserving lot Telstra.
Stop carrying on about the little black or white man with beady legs. Fight the moron you see in the mirror.
Posted by individual, Monday, 20 December 2010 6:23:15 AM
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well sorry Nairbe,I got that wrong.
I miss read something in your post, thought you actually thought the racism was secondary to the costs.
I have to try harder than most, not to be rude, Passion drives me close at times and Ia m commited to keep under control so sorry again I was wrong.
Individual I put you in the too hard box about a year ago.
You seem to have no balance and not to understand issues,again and again you insult me with, well mate just silly claims I am biased and can not see my sides faults?
Born in this country a product of the bush, I have worked in every eastern state and more.
To put such a slur about race, hight,ability to speak English in print is no nice thing.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you know no better.
But [not crawling here] Nairbe tells it as I would do it, do it every time, I like the chance to make a migrant feel at home.
A simple Gday mate can I help you? dog is ok I will tie him up back in a minute.
Individual please unless you like being put down because of who you are your race religion do not tell me its ok, I doubt you understand but it is wrong always.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 20 December 2010 5:11:26 PM
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Nairbe and Belly:

There are many "old fashioned" words that show us clearly how some people viewed one another in times past. Words like "ni*ger," "b**ng," "dago," "wog," reflected the feelings of some people about other people, however today these "outmoded" words are no longer acceptable to most people. They weren't acceptable on this
forum either. When I had typed the words in full, I was told to "Remove the Profanity."
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 20 December 2010 6:17:44 PM
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Not sure what the man's ethnicity or language skills have to do with reading a meter.

It is quite common for energy company employees to estimate readings when there is limited access to a meter including vegetation, locked gates, unrestrained dogs and other animals, or junk piled up at access point.

I agree it is annoying when companies do estimates without good cause but most do agree to a re-adjustment once arrangements are made to re-re-read the meter. It is the companies that use estimates as the norm that we should be all jumping up and down about not taking it out on some employee just for trying to do his job.
Posted by pelican, Monday, 20 December 2010 9:18:37 PM
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At last two posts that understand.
Lexi yes once those words got used,in truth EVERY MINORITY that ever existed both had to live with them, and had its own insulting names for those who belittled them.
Never right, never, from any one.
In some post history,well in all of us, you can find much about us all.
Hasbeen in my view finds it hard to respect those he feels are socially below him, workers unionists,and maybe , well best leave it.
Every one of us should be accountable for what they post here,each of us should not fear saying I got it wrong.
I wounder, just thinking,say a young Aussie on his/her world trip working in an African country.
Confronted with new things new problems in every home it is his/her job to knock on every door.
Any room for understanding the fear, the uncertainty, maybe the wish some one would offer to help?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 4:58:12 AM
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Lexi,
you forgot w..i p..u, m....i, c.....t, white s..t etc. But I don't suppose indigenous language is offensive or demeaning when aimed at non-indigenous health workers or other service providers.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 2:06:26 PM
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Belly:

You're right. Our aim should always be to behave with respect towards others, and to encourage this in all people.

Individual:

I'm sorry but your last comment went over my head. I'm not familiar with the partial words you posted - perhaps you should have included a few more letters because I couldn't identify them so your post didn't make sense to me.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 3:53:30 PM
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Lexi,
I posted that to show how some who are not exposed to situations hence are not aware of what others experience but dispute when such experiences are disclosed.. I won't or rather am not allowed to explain these words but I assure you if they were aimed at a non-european person all hell would brake loose on the feigned indignation bandwagon..
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 5:11:35 PM
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Come on individual you do know better than hat.
Or do you?
How feeble, how truly self deceiving to introduce the way others not related in any way,,, to this thread speak.
To justify your support for a bloke who has not returned to support himself.
Start reading other comments before posting uniformed things.
I said in this thread minority's too use such talk.
Here in this country's forum likely to be visited by people from ANY COUNTRY in the world.
You feeble, wrongly, try to say its ok to call a bloke a little black man, sneer openly at his not yet having learned a second language and even his hight?
I am concerned at your understanding of just why it is and remains wrong to use racist terms about any one by any one.
Lexi have a great Christmas.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 23 December 2010 5:10:49 AM
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Belly,
it's becoming quite clear that you're the one who has no understanding nor cares about other peoples' feelings. I knew some union reps like this.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 23 December 2010 7:05:59 AM
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Belly,
All I am trying to get across is the fact that if someone has an agenda to find fault with someone else's comments or actions then there's only one outcome & it's not harmony. Everyone says things which are either meant to compliment or hurt others' feelings. What & this is my perception, Hasbeen was saying is that a dark skinned little man didn't do his job at Hasbeen's detriment. Now had that been a lightskinned little man he'd have used a term to that effect. You must realise that in indigenous communities reference to complexion is day to day normal & no-one gets upset. I haven't heard any whities get upset because reference is made to their complexion when drawing attention to an individual/group. All this dumbar$ed pretend indignation has to stop. I hear on a daily basis ah, it was that white bloke over there or it was done by a white bloke. Kids constantly call out hey white man. We don't pretend to feel indignation. Why not ? Because we're not that silly ! The indigenous in our community feel the same.
It's all just a stupid & self-serving game. A bit like the unionists who are deeply concerned about their members but don't actually feel bothered by the negative effects of their actions on others.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 23 December 2010 7:23:59 AM
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"A few months back I saw the electricity company little LandRover 4WD pull up nose into my gate. A blue-white skinned man, who I later found spoke with a quaint English accent got out."

There it is now fixed and the usual diatribes against a significant element of our cultural heritage can begin - along with the denunciation of those awful Christians (he would have be one wouldn't he?).

For myself, I will be content to sledge the long-suffering LandRover owners with impunity - even if Tata has a hand in there somewhere (yikes, if that is discovered the PC police will be onto me like blowies).

Q: Why are LandRovers considered 'green'?
A: Because they return the oil to the environment while you drive.

Speaking of the English, here is John Cleese,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FamNyMUZlw
Posted by Cornflower, Thursday, 23 December 2010 12:15:14 PM
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Posted by PatTheBogan, Thursday, 23 December 2010 1:09:41 PM
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Individual can we talk? I in fact do not wish to get down in the gutter, disagree with just about every thing you say.
I am unsure if you know how offended I am by your manner.
Can we agree to avoid one another?
I can not bring myself to give any value to anything you say, lets put OLO first ok?
Have a great Christmas and good by.
Now pat the Bogan, well thought out name.
I have no idea why you launched in with that, offensive and uncalled for.
You never met a bloke who likes Aussie bush humor more than me.
Have not seen any from you.
So many trying to look like WITS end up looking like TWITS.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 23 December 2010 8:28:27 PM
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I thought this was a thread about over-charging when I approved it, not whether drawing attention to someone's ethnicity was racist or not. I did think about the "dark-skinned" and "poor English" bits, but people do say these things (Dame Joan Sutherland quite famously for one when talking about the Post Office), and it did provide a bit of colour.

But it has led to this thread being on the verge of getting out of hand. If the level of aggression doesn't wind back down I will probably start deleting threads and handing out suspensions. Maybe both Hasbeen and I will be more careful in future.
Posted by GrahamY, Thursday, 23 December 2010 8:47:57 PM
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And I tried to tell PatTheBogan that I had deleted his post but his email address on the system is no longer current. Perhaps he can mail me and I'll send him the email to his new address.
Posted by GrahamY, Thursday, 23 December 2010 8:50:24 PM
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Graham

I can’t see a thing in the world wrong with Hasbeen’s comments:

<< A little dark skinned man, who I later found has very poor English got out. >>

It will be a dark day indeed when we can’t describe people in this sort of simple straightforward, neutrally descriptive terminology. I very strongly think that it would be a real shame if general threads, or articles for that matter, were sanitised to removed such comments.

I think that all posts on this thread that concentrate on the alleged racist comments and don’t entertain any discussion on the intended thread topic should be deleted, as they are blatantly off-topic!

So in the interests of obeying the forum rules and keeping this post from being etherised, I’ll write something on-topic:

I sympathise with Hasbeen’s concerns about false meter reading and hence false billing and hence our (the consumer’s) confidence in all those companies/utilities that provide services and send us bills.
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 23 December 2010 10:28:59 PM
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Ludwig.....you said...."It will be a dark day indeed when we can’t describe people in this sort of simple straightforward, neutrally descriptive terminology........and that leads right back down the path of Ted Bullpit and Kingswood country. It just goes to show how white Australians are threatened by multiculturalism.......and the way it was back in the Good Old days.

Again...A joke is a joke.........and a racist slur is what it is....Racist.
I know Hasbeen meant well....and for sure no harm was directed with malicious intent.

This is why 19th thinking's hasbeen put aside for the 21 century.

These people.....and they are people...work very hard for you, and blame your government for the immigration policies if you don't like the situation. ( more boat people are coming ) so get used to it.

Oh and in reality.........you whites are the wogs too.......so don't forget that:)

Iam BLUE....and that's life:)

Merry Xmas.
Posted by Deep-Blue, Friday, 24 December 2010 2:20:01 PM
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Hi Everyone:

Thanks Belly, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to You and to Everyone on OLO!

One last word before I go - I don't believe that Hasbeen meant his statement in any derogatory or insulting way - I think he was merely describing the guy he saw outside his window. Sometimes, we do tend to go overboard on political correctness. I remember when I worked in the US and was told by my department head to deliver a message to a girl in the next office by the name of Gina. When I asked my boss what did Gina look like? All she told me was that Gina had a "beautiful smile." I walked into that office and saw a room full of
women with "beautiful smiles." Had my boss told me that Gina was the only black girl in the room, I wouldn't have had a problem finding her. But I suppose words, can have different connotations to different people. Although you've got to have a sense of humour ... The following is from a cartoon: A "swamp thing"
is sitting in a restaurant with his girlfriend. He tells her, "Well, actually, Doreen, I rather resent being called a "swamp thing." ...
I prefer the term "wetlands-challenged mutant."

Merry Christmas - and keep smiling!
Posted by Lexi, Friday, 24 December 2010 3:31:14 PM
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I prefer the term "wetlands-challenged mutant." Oh and the scorpion raises its tail.........now..where is my banjo:) was that a fart? or just dust blowing from her......mmmmmm:) its no-wonder they set the hounds after them:) and last but not least....bite me:)

Now! Where was I?...Oh yes.....Sack the useless buggers and oh the irony.lol.

A little song for you dear..... http://tinyurl.com/2bgzfj6

BLUE:)
Posted by Deep-Blue, Friday, 24 December 2010 9:57:15 PM
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<< Sometimes, we do tend to go overboard on political correctness. >>

Wow, don’t we ever, Lexi! The instance discussed in this thread is a classic example of overthetoppedness!.

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Wonderful video, Blue.

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Wishing all you OLOers a happy but not too silly silly season.
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 24 December 2010 10:24:05 PM
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Wonderful words Ludwig....Faxed...filed...and photo-copied:) and thank you for your kind words. Next year should be very interesting:)
Best wishes to all.

BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 25 December 2010 12:35:36 AM
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<< Sometimes, we do tend to go overboard on political correctness. >>

Wow, don’t we ever, Lexi! The instance discussed in this thread is a classic example of overthetoppedness!. ...oh do you want a tissue? It would be fine if all of Australia was convict descent....that way all would get the joke:0...but being multicultural....political correctness has to be a standing rule. Now I don't want to here any-more bone creakiness from you fossils:) some might get it and some might not. The 123 of human kind is now a mixed Bach of all you can eat.....so chew quietly so not to up-set my dinner.

Deliverance...now that banjo player does look a lot like beavis:) well you know what they say......live in a town long enough...and you"ll always find your sister:)

Now as that movie ended, you cant help but see the bonding between the two:)

Oh....my cake and pudding has just arrived.

Maybe some things will never change:)

http://tinyurl.com/2fgdmg3

I guess this is the classical US rednecks.

Enjoy and have the best new-years-eve-ever.

I know I will:) now where's my beer? Oh there it is....



BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 25 December 2010 2:09:41 AM
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Blue:

The gift of words is the gift of imagination. Some words run softly almost soundlessly on tiptoe. Others clump around like an under-nine football team in a cement floor dressing shed. Some soothe like cold cream on sunburn. While others ser blood pounding and your heart singing. There are words so rounded at the edges and softened by wear that they are no longer words at all, but the spunds that people make for happiness or despair, joy or anger. There are words that are randy, but not dirty. And sacred words that have become soiled with improper use. Some words stick like burrs and punish at a touch. And
there are others that nurse the ego and heal the heart. Some words remain forever unspoken, clamped in a throat that aches to let them out. And sometimes they are the most meaningful of all. But words without a story are like a fart without a smell, nice to have passed silently in a crowded lift, but causing no reaction whatsoever, except as a relief to the farter that he got clean away.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AS WELL OLD TIMER!
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 25 December 2010 10:49:19 AM
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Deep-Blue, evidently on his Christmas vigil, tankard in hand, at 2:09:41 AM on Saturday, 25 December 2010 posts:

"The 123 of human kind is now a
mixed Bach of all you can eat...
..so chew quietly so not to up-set
my dinner."

One wonders whether that would be Johan Sebastian, or Carl Philip Emmanuel? Perhaps Deep-Blue needs to 'Wachet Auf', or is it that he is in need of a good Toccata and Fugue? Perhaps, more to the point, an Air on a G-string, given Lexi's uplifting and penetrating observation in the last sentence of her post of Saturday, 25 December 2010 10:49:19 AM?

Enough! Too much sarcophagy of dead musicians going on.

I must compose myself.

Thank you for your Christmas gift, Lexi. Some are obviously having a very merry Christmas.
Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Saturday, 25 December 2010 11:42:23 AM
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Words can be stressful, like a fox in the hen-house

Or exquisite, like a flame-haired beauty on the beach.

Words can get you out of trouble or land you right in it

Or the right words can just remain out of reach.

.

Sometimes the best words are not words at all:

Frrrrhrhrhrt!!

Ahhhhh....that's better!
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 25 December 2010 12:25:40 PM
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I am not going to be popular here.
But do you know I would rather be me?
Is it ever, yes ever, ok to describe anyone in terms that could be seen as racist.
I think not.
Is it ok for me, or you Ludwig, to refer in future to little black men, would you do it?
I am no less or more racist than the average human, I judge, HARSHLY racist comment.
And it comes from minority's too.
Is it ever less wrong depending on who said it.
Would even hasbeen repeat that comment now?
I do think hasbeen is not happy with those words now, and would change them if he could.
Do not judge me harshly for being honest I too focused on the price factors and service.
But Ludwig, you I know, do not want such terms to be in common use here in OLO do you?
Standards have reasons for being in place.
If I or anyone has done wrong in saying lets not go there so be it I stand firmly on my opinion.
No rain to speak of good Christmas motor bike Santa bought the teenager over the paddock is half worn out already but it is good hope for every one Hasbeen will I am sure be over fed and pleasantly jolly by now hope so I am.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 25 December 2010 5:21:52 PM
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Forrest.....you have a keen eye:)

"The 147 of human kind is now a mixed Bach of all you can eat.....so chew quietly so not to up-set my dinner."

An appropriate listening with a fine red or a rustic beer. Enjoy.

http://tinyurl.com/289ppzw

This is one of the best-known and most theatrical of Bach's sacred cantatas. It was written in 1731 as part of Bach's series of five cantatas for every Sunday and special feast day in the Lutheran calendar. This particular cantata was written for a rarely occurring date, the 27th Sunday after Trinity. This day occurs only in years when Easter comes unusually early. Since this was a rare event (it happened only twice during Bach's 26 years in Leipzig), Bach used an unusually large ensemble and wrote the cantata on a large scale.

The chorale used in the cantata (and the work's title) comes from a 1599 hymn tune by Philippe Nicolai. Literally, the title translates as "Wake up, the voices are calling us." To fit the three syllables of the German, the more commonly found translation "Sleepers Wake" is used, and it is by this name that it is best known in English.

The text is a treatment of Jesus' parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins (or, as some translations have it, Wise and Foolish Bridesmaids). What is foolish about these young women of Jesus' story is that because they did not bring sufficient oil for their lamps, they had to go out to purchase more, and in so doing, were locked out of the wedding and the wedding feast. In fact, they didn't even make it into Bach's cantata, for it only mentions the wise bridesmaids, who did not miss the Bridegroom's arrival and, hence, witnessed the wedding and partook of the feast. The Bridegroom is allegorical for Jesus; his bride is the Christian soul. And these two allegorical figures have an ardent, even operatic, love duet assigned to soprano and bass.

Very good Forrest....very good indeed:)

Fitting I thought....seeing its Xmas.

BLUE
Posted by Deep-Blue, Saturday, 25 December 2010 10:50:54 PM
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Good morning......'and all spent a peaceful and safe evening with whatever in how one's precedes with this collective thought rewarding time of year? Good:) http://tinyurl.com/26kvwsx I would be interested in knowing on how many actually when to church this year......?

Music of this kind can revitalize the inner systems to the point of rest not able to be obtained by any other means.

Have a great day/week.

BLU
Posted by Deep-Blue, Sunday, 26 December 2010 9:27:41 AM
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No church, avoided all reference to it like the proverbial.
Except a story on the evolution of all reildgions.
Family already gone, great fun but big family lots of visits so we share it out, more to come.
Went to the boxing day sales, our country has changed so much in just my lifetime, mostly for the better.
Chain store sold me joggers on Wednesday $10! bought two, work boots hung up so thought I would get a third.
On special today, old price still clearly seen under new $15,warrior came back, we had fun, me and the crowd who gathered as I spoke to sales assistant.
Seems some use this sale to,well price stayed , so be careful.
Hasbeen, any thoughts on the way this thread developed? or its directions taken?
Again best to all
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 26 December 2010 3:52:01 PM
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