After the complete failure of Copenhagen to reach any agreement, this insipid, toothless agreement is better than nothing. It simply formalizes the status quo. However, what this agreement does not do is:
- Recognize the Kyoto targets
- Set any specific targets by any date
- Define any carbon price or emission trading guidelines.

The optimistic view of the Greens is that it is an important "step" in building a formal agreement, and they are certain to use this as an indicator that progress is happening in the rest of the world and we need to step up to the plate.

What the Greens and Labor are almost certain to gloss over is that there is no requirement for a cut of more than 5% from 2000 or any defined mechanism such as a carbon tax.

What the Australian people want is:

NO carbon tax (specially with the TRADE aspect) bit if no 'trade' aspect and as long as the money stays IN Australia and is not a burden, and subsidises Renewable energy (Solar preferably) then it's not the end of the world.

NO "trade"...of carbon 'instruments'.

NO capitalist/socialist politicians profiting out of ANY kind of agreement.

NO 'wealth redistribution/green' fund which is not about protecting the environment, but is ALL about simply marxist redistribution of wealth.

What we have to understand is that those who cause pollution i.e. the wealthy who have the oil guzzling toys & lifestyle will not curb their excesses voluntarily. The rest of us 5¾ billion have no choice in how we live out our existense be it polluting or otherwise. The bloke who goes out fishing in his tinnie & spills a spoonful of two-stroke oil gets hit with a $500 fine, yet the wealthy who jet around the globe & burn up fuel to no end get praised & admired. Many of them even get invited to climate change forums like Kopenhagen. Some useless Australians included.

There will have to be a carbon tax to pay for the wealth sharing.
Get on the band wagon and go solar and make savings.
Home made electricity is the best thing going.[ easy ] along with the smart meter.
Clean the air up and we may get some other benefits also.

when are the 'climate change believers' going to realise that this stupid idea has had its day?
No matter how we change our emissions, any change in the miniscule percentage of our atmosphere that consists of man-made greenhouse gases will make absolutely no difference.
With the end of the drought and the wet, chilly start to summer, it appears that the climate change cycle has reached its hot, dry peak and is swinging the other way, just as climate cycles have fluctuated for millions of years.

When are the AGW deniers going to realise
that their increasingly shrill protestations
have had their day?

While Cancun doesn't go anywhere near far
enough, at least it's a start, and it shows
that the world's governments are persuaded
that AGW is real and that we all need to act
to try and ameliorate it.

Extreme heat, extreme cold, more tornadoes, unseasonal rain events, worst fires ever. Right across the world.
This has been in the making for 40 years.
It's not going to turn around any time soon, can only get worse.

It may well not matter what was decided at Cancun.
If the IPCC will plug into their computer models the lower fossil fuel
availability than their previous lowest figures they may well discover
that there will only be a 1 degree rise.

So far there has been no reports of them having done that although the
quantities have been known since June.

Re the payment to "developing" countries, is it true that China is one
of the developing countries ?
Does that mean we will be borrowing from China to pay China to reduce
its CO2 emissions ?

Now that wouldn't be right would it ?

There's absolutely zilch we can do about climate change. Even if all mankind were to suddenly disappear, climate change would still continue.
All this carbon tax idiocy is merely designed to boost the coffers of incompetent outfits such as Governments. Are people really so stupid as to believe that handing hard-earned money over to bureaucrats will somehow change climate change ? it's literally frightening to think we're surrounded by morons like that. No wonder it all appears so hopeless.

You can't alter the balance of nature and expect to get away with it. More pollution, less trees. It's only reasonable to think something has got to give away.
Some people are doing it very hard, saying everything is ok. Nature is doing what nature does, and that is heading to unsustainable living conditions. It is not a matter of our 1% pollution, it's a matter of pulling our weight. We are the worst polluter for our population in the world. It doesn't have to be the case.

SM, Like you I spent much of my career in industry. For 40 years I worked for US multi-nationals in commercial, industrial, finance and military contracts. These were heavy duty, long drawn out negotiations to “get the deal”.

When I look at the annual “gab fest” negotiations on carbon mitigation I am amused by the utter futility. What is it that the “promoters” are not getting? The basic reading of this grindingly repetitive process is telling us that those involved are saying, no chance, go away, sod off, you must be joking?

As always, they slam down the gavel in the last minute of the last hour of the last day and sign something, anything just to get out of there. The joy of yet another “agreement” flashes around the world of another meaningless breakthrough.

If this is a real issue for humanity we are truly doomed. Fortunately, our much “bullied” but “rat sharp” negotiators are capable feeding these idiots with what they deserve and devour with relish; BULLDUST!

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I can point you to some reading that may help you. nzclimatescience.com. There are always two sides to any debate and its time you had a look at about 1,500 papers covering “another” perspective.

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