I wanted to talk about human nature.
About the idea life is looking after its self, that bad things only happen to other people.
The Royal Commission in to Victoria's bush fires spoke of people who heard the warning it was to be a bad day.
But did not monitor the media, locked them selves away and knew nothing until the burning embers hit the roof.
About people who at the last minute locked them selves in a room, with no doors or stayed to protect a house without anything to do it with.
We are entering the Christmas holidays, road workers known death is coming, motorists full of happiness and expectations of a good time will die and kill.
It will happen long traffic ques stalled will give way to open roads, speeding to make up time equals deaths.
See it can not happen to us mate its other people who get hurt.

I’m a firm believer in bad things happening to others.

Each time something bad happens to me I think that was the worst thing possible and now it’s over.

I’ve done flood, fire, blizzard, disease, accidents, over/underdose, choking, poisoning, drowning, electrocution, animal and people attacks.

Having avoided loss of limb, locusts, war, famine and death I believe I am golden.

Hi Belly:

I used to think that bad things only happened to other people. As you grow older and life throws curve balls in the form of people and situations at you, you begin to realise that you can either cave in, or grow through such challenges. I couldn't begin to image what it would be like to lose a child.My boss lost his son recently - who died of a massive seisure in the night. Family support is crucial, as of course are good friends. A family friend recently lost his wife to bone cancer. Initially, she was diagnosed with breast cancer, she had a double mastectomy which a few years later turned into bone cancer. We went to her funeral a few weeks ago. All of us have obstacles to overcome, and I'm not sure what's around the corner for me. I only hope that somehow I'll have the strength to face whatever life throws at me. But I no longer believe that - "No, it can't ever happen to me!"

Gday jewely I think we all think we are bullet proof and it only happens to others.
We also complain about pedestrians on the crossing but take our time if its us walking.
Kids next door we tend to think are making too much noise but we are deaf to ours.
Its ok to go over board at Christmas but hard ship waits for months to come.
Life can knock you down if you are not aware your choices have out comes.

Nice points Belly.

But see as a child I was told all the bad stuff… like if you kill a spider its mate would come looking for you. If you ever forgot to the lock the door you are for sure going to be murdered in the middle of the night. Pretty much all people are bad or waiting to do bad things to you.

I have no idea how some people continue to function in this horror story of a world we live in. But my early years were certainly filled with interesting nightmares.

I suppose it is a matter of balance and either not letting the bastards get you down or learning how to bounce.

i will [one day]..write the list of things
that happend to others
but i worried about happening to me
but didnt...ok havnt so far..

but hey lets no worry about me doing that anytime soon
thing is there are more people worrying..about absurdities
that in reaklity..wont ever happen to them

that dosnt mean it wont happen to one in 100..or one in 1000
or one in four ..or one in a million..of us

but mate if i had the time
i would chose to worry...lol

worry...me?

sure i do
and wasted..much of my life
living in fear

and to what end has worry changed ANYTHING..?
worry changes NUTHIN

like i could worry ...that the new labour party
will have even a more elitist adgenda
than the last one

but so what
anything is better than mrs blight
any party with her in it
im not voting for

and even if she left...the party hacks running the scam
will yet be the SAME...[just like the joke of the other parties]

i could worry about julia
or tony...but to what end does my worry...about them
change ANYTHING...?

nada
nuthing

worry..*
mate go for it
worry all you want
im over giving a tinker-bells darn dam

next year most of us
will still HERE..and be doing the same thing
*worry-ing*

we can ALLWAYS* find...SOME-thing..to worry*..about

and it changes NOTHING

some are so busy worrying
they arnt paying attenmtion to the road
cause their too busy..worrying about cops..or losing their licence

bah hum bug ger grr

It's human nature to worry, Belly.

The real problems occur when we don't also have some positive thoughts going on in our mind as well.

I always try to add a positive slant on something I am worried about.
It works for me anyway :)

I am sorry, I clearly am not getting my point across, my fault.
I wanted to talk about those who do not worry.
And maybe do not think.
About the life is on auto pilot it is ok I do not need to think people.
They exist, they swim in a rip because it will be ok, they back out of the driveway without looking.
Life is all planed by others it can never happen to me.
It was my intention to discuss why some do wander from disaster to mishap and blame fate for the blinkers they put on.
Taking responsibility for our own actions.
Just maybe, hoping the next tragic event,they come all too often, see some say its up to us to think this out save our selves huddling in a room will not do it.
I am not a great deal different than any one but years of training give me no time for fear, it is the fuel that drives me to act and until the event is over I am unaware of it.
Then? huge impact.

Belly:"It was my intention to discuss why some do wander from disaster to mishap and blame fate for the blinkers they put on."

I think there are a myriad of reasons, including a lack of natural capacity to foresee problems with their course of action; poor upgringing and lack of training as children; emotional problems causing a lack of resilience; mental health issues; "learned helplessness" that is fostered by a life taking handouts.

The list is extensive.

There are also some people who are simply "happy-go-lucky". They trust in their own capacity to resolve or deal with problems and so don't worry too much about them occurring. "Easy come, easy go". I suspect that's probably my own nature to a large degree.

All of that antiseptic, just after the dreadful tsunami in our near north a warning [proved wrong] went out for our east coast,
People took deck chairs down to the sea on the beach, to watch it come in, madness.
In days when fathers had more power an American father and grand father ordered his missionary daughter and son in law, with his granden, to stay in the Philippines, war would not come.
They fell in to enemy hands within weeks, he died while they where being held.
It happens to others, not me, that is the truth, some are unable to see life is not in charge it is not on auto we need to be in control.

Given that talk of Julian is everywhere I’m going to repeat his name again.

Did Mr Assange decide what the personal consequences might be before leaping into the world with WikiLeaks?

Yep I bet he did, I bet he had a long think about what could happen to him and he still chose bugger the backlash. Bugger them all.

I admire this Australian Anarchist, or that is what I heard the yanks were calling him.

So I think sometimes it aint the “Not me mate” thing but more of the qué se-rá, se-rá Belly.

It's what happens when the nanny state takes over, Belly. They're all dumb, thinking the great big government will take care of everything for them.

Belly you are sounding a bit fatalistic at present!
Cheer up.

Antiseptic <" "...Easy come, easy go". I suspect that's probably my own nature to a large degree."

ROFL!

Thanks for the comments that tell me to cheer up they remind me she will be right mate.
Side stepping or is it running over? the issue.
She will not be right, America will catch the leaks bloke, he will pay for another's crime.
We will see deaths that need not happen this Christmas.
And some will coast through life into those brick walls that await them.
By the way those leaks further prove my point, here in print is evidence we can not trust our governments.
We mostly knew most did, yet some have completely over looked the lies the very people some think will look after us do not need to care, some slumber on unaware it is happening.

Do not overspend this xmas. The credit card has got to be paid back. Xmas is just another day. Why spend a year of misery just for one day.
That list of vital infastructure that assange published is not good for anyone.
There's things that you know that your neighbour doesn't. And it's probably better that way.
Americas privacy has been compromised, no doubt they will fix that

Belly, I am unsure what the issue is – look before you leap or take responsibility for your actions, consider the consequences, act like a grown up, be sensible?

We all know nothing is alright, nothing is okay, everything is bad and no matter the choice just about any action can lead to potential disaster.

To tell the truth Belly every Australian I meet seems extremely worried about everything and who is going to get you if you say something too loud. And the laws here – there are no accidents; someone is always to blame for any incident.

Levels of government protect the one below and above. People do not feel protected here or supported. Dunno what kind of Nanny is implied when talking about a Nanny state because it certain isn’t Mary Poppins.

“She’ll be right mate” is about all the optimism that is left while “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” can also apply to the more fatalistically inclined.

But we can’t live with just the doom, we need to occasionally throw caution to the wind to stay sane yeah?.

There is always a fear-based reason to worry. We may have incredible children, but a day doesn't go past that we're not concerned about their welfare for one reason or another. The very fact that we love our children so much, juxtaposed with all the danger in the world, is enough to keep any parent anxious. We may have a great career, but the pressures are intense. We may have wonderful relationships, but people are still people. We may have a lovely home but there are big responsibilities to that one too. Yet most Australians are optimistic
on the whole. They usually find their lives are full of interest,
they hardly ever have time to waste and although the economy may get worse, most people believe someone else will probably suffer because their own finances will improve. The average Australian according to The Age is worried about getting the sack, human rights, and supperannuation, but is no longer pre-occupied with free parking at work (joke). They find their jobs are suitable and, except for the 4 percent of teenagers who want to retire, do not want to change them.
The average Australian believes, "I'm allright Jack!" According to recent polls Australians are a happy lot. Almost 60 percent find that their lives are full of interest and, from a breakdown of age and occupation groups, it appears their life gets more interesting with age.

-The average Australian is worried about getting the sack, human rights, and superannuation

-They find their jobs are suitable

-The average Australian believes, "I'm all right Jack!"

Wonder what an “average Australian” is.

Have they done a survey just with government employees?

- Almost 60 percent find that their lives are full of interest

- life gets more interesting with age

“May you live in interesting times” comes to mind.

I'm obviously just in the best mood today.

The following website may help:

http://www.news.com.au/are-you-an-average-australian/story-0-1111116973936

Well I did not quite get my point across, even in my posts.
And it seems time for the thread to fade away.
I wanted to look deeper, maybe explore why people, even non believers like me, take it for granted it will be ok.
And just maybe think about why humans do think like that.
Another thread on the way another subject, not always easy to pick one that interests most of us.
Thanks to the contributers, as I always do I have looked at every post twice.

Belly have you noticed there is a new theme in movies, or maybe I have run into a big line of coincidences. Unhappy endings seem to be the new thing. I remember years ago just wishing that sometimes the bad guy would win and now it is all about the good peoples losing.

I can’t claim to understand your point, I thought maybe this thread was about regrets then I was wondering if it was about anger at the happy go lucky people that often the rest of us end up paying for.

I get much angrier at base jumpers than I do smokers.

I eat lollies knowing how scared I am of going to the dentist. I don’t know why I do it Belly, really I don’t but perhaps that is a will power thing more than thinking ahead. Right now I am on a steady course of my own destruction which I wish I could get off.

But I don’t drive drunk, I am careful when up ladders, I don’t touch light switches with wet hands. And I will and have stepped in and explained loudly and clearly to other adults that they are being efwits and to stop and think about what they are doing.

Hope Jinny is watching – I set up a monitor in my baby’s room once and walked next door with the other end in my pocket and told them I had at least an hour for a coffee and a chat while she slept. My neighbor smiled and replied “and what does a fire on that sound like?” Bloody hell, had not crossed my mind. It is quite a feeling when someone hits you with what a dumb arse you really are.

WHAT...me worry..?
worry?..not me mate..!

i think it was an error in the title
you mentioned the happy go lucky victims of bush fires
mate thats just ignorance

then you drifed on to speeding after being stuck in traffic
mate thats human nature....i think you simplified the question to much about worry...and not the other contributing aspects of human need/want and desire

there can be no simple answers
its not as simple as you made out
you might worry about others
but are others worrying about you

thing is people need to earn a crust..
need to feel safe..need company..they dont need do goodeers telling them to do this..or worry about that...because those sorts have their own adgenda

everyone has an adgenda
just like the r5est of australia im getting more suss on the labourite adgenda...at least the liberalie partly...are clear about who they support and represent..[the elites]..

but the lab rats..are SUPOPOSED to be there for THE WORKER..but ever more reveal they are really there for their masters..[bosses../bankers/..

law and order..filling private prisons..or revenue raising..or building ever more exclusive franchise..for the rich investers..to hold as exclusive franchise..that which righfully belongs to us all..

Hiya Belly:

I've been thinking about this subject - and I guess as we grow up, our lives become so cluttered. We become shackled with responsibility and bogged down with work and kids and the daily rituals and problems of our everyday lives. We forget how to play. The everyday problems won't go away of course, and we'll deal with them as we've always done, but maybe, if we learned to relax a bit more, and lighten up, and tried to maintain some sort of a balance in our lives - we'd end up being healthier and saner all round? Just a thought.

Oh good point Lexi.

It depends on the life you have whether the “not me mate” thing is a thought dwelling in your brain.

Cushy and comfortable and not experiencing a lot of human misery then you are probably more inclined to cruise through making nice sane decisions for yourself and society.

Others will be paranoid; they’ve seen all the bad stuff that happens to others, they know it could happen to them. They are probably stuck with “It’s always me mate”. Wonder if they spend a lot of time just wishing it was someone else.

Yep I might flit right on back to an earlier post where I decided it was about balance and I guess not getting paranoid is about learning to bounce.

But Belly you were referring to people not acting responsibly? Not thinking ahead? Why do they do it?

That means working out if they are being deliberately destructive either to themselves or others?

OUG pointed out ignorance and sometimes human nature with its needs wants and desires is running the show at times.

Jewely:

Thanks for that - and I do remember your earlier post about bouncing back - which prompted me onto thinking about things. But you're right, I now get it that what Belly's after is getting people to act responsibly. From personal family experience I know though that it's easier said than done. Just as an example, I've bailed out a brother over the years because he's never thought ahead or planned for stuff. He needs to think more about his old age, now that he is getting older - I'm scared as to who will help him when we're no longer around.

I did have an older sister that I cut loose a long time ago after years of bailing out. My only regret is not doing it sooner. I had wondered if I had contributed to her not being responsible by being who she so often leant on. Bi-polar I think was the diagnoses in the end… still don’t care; a destructive force in your life is still one no matter the cause.

But we all leave Lexi and it’s our children we want independent and ready to cope when we do - they are the only ones we’ve taken on that responsibility for and that part is over usually long before we are. I so don’t want to look after any grownups but on the horizon it probably is something I will have to start planning for.

I’m trying to think what words of wisdom I may have told my kids about being responsible… probably breaks down into little things like
“you don’t like it then don’t do it to anyone else” and
“it isn’t yours so don’t touch it” and
“why does he need to put the seat down when you don’t leave it up for him” which was usually proceeded by the
“well you should have looked first”

Jewely:

My brother's a lovely bloke - (just irresponsible as far as money goes). Yet, he shares what he has (when he has it) - so he's not mean.
As far as our children are concerned, if you think about it, a good portion of our efforts are as parents devoted to external matters that may not really matter at all. What will be important is the content of our children's hearts and minds, or what is often described as character. When we say, "It's what's inside that counts," we speak a simple but profound truth. To me, I see our job as parents - to raise a decent human being. Decency might sound like a modest ambition, but in today's culture it isn't that easy to achieve. Every parent I know lives with the uneasy sense that their children are growing up too fast. You do the best you can, and hope that some of it at least sinks in.

Gday OUG J L still think it has run its race.
And still blame only me for it.
nothing in the thread is about me.
But every thing is about what life has told me.
Seen the body's on the roadside, helped get them out of the car.
Know all about the it can not happen to me group.
Know too OUG about life's battles and the joy of small victory's.
she,l be right mate, is as Aussie as a Koala bear.
It yells at us so my house burnt down, it will be ok mate.
But I believe many put personal responsibility and planning on permanent hold.
I too have given up on a few, we all do, but did not want to talk about sadness.
Put it this way, years ago I was rebellious, [who me] not me mate!
Got involved in demonstrations against the South African Rugby tour while that country was still in my view racist.
Battle scared after a couple of police officers fell on me I met a mate.
He was a true mate from Ethiopia his family ran a grocer shop.
He was full on Christian, I was learning about his God, he warned me I must not go to rallies leave it to God he warned me.
Took no notice thought then and now we should stand up for what we think.
See taking an action can be both hurtful but the right thing to do putting life in neutral is letting no one drive for you.

Belly:

I was taught at a very early age to be responsible, not only for myself but for my brothers and family as well. We were "latch-key" kids, both parents worked. It was up to me to do all the household chores as well as the meals, and so forth. To me that was simply part of life. I've worked all of my life, alongside my husband, raised a family, studied, and simply got on with it. As I'm sure everyone else has done as well. Everything we have, we've worked for, that's the way I was brought up. I'm used to planning ahead - because I've learned from experience that without planning things tend to fall apart. Still you can't plan for everything. Life as I've said earlier sometimes throws unexpected things at you but you cope and make do. Somehow, you find the strength as you need it - and you turn out to surprise yourself as being stronger than you thought you were. Belly, you're someone I admire very much. You're an honourable man, one who's got a good heart.

cont'd ...

As for standing up for what you think? Belly, it depends on the circumstances. Of course if your keeping quiet is going to hurt someone then of course you should speak up, but on the other hand if your speaking your mind is also going to hurt someone, then perhaps its better to keep quiet in certain cases. I would take it a case at a time and weigh up what's best to do - given the circumstances. Sometimes it's best to simply shut up and stay out of things.

Belly, your house burnt down?

No jewely, no fire here.
It refers to the Aussie ability to get knocked over get up and start running again.
The opposite of putting life in other hands and coasting.
Lexi, age 11 mum in hospital for 8 months.
Dad working to feed us a long way from home.
I took over the running of our very remote country home.
With help from every kid we saw dad one weekend in two , things make us what we are.
I think just maybe, a softness in some is like life once learned we mostly can get by no matter what.
But we do have those who wrongly, say why worry it will be ok.

We Aussies jewely are not that much different than Kiwis.
This morning I got out of bed very concerned about the CRISIS.
What are we to do.
England is beating us in the cricket.
But wait,joy, great happiness Anthony Mundene got knocked out.
Australia cheers.
If you can under stand us you are already Aussie.
Only in a country so in love with sport can it happen, more people are insanely happy, because one of our champs got beaten.
Me very much included.
A photo would make a great screen saver any one help?

Strangely the word “Kiwi” excludes Maoris’ and I identified closely with that community there . Sports doesn’t interest me although it fascinates me that generally 15 minutes of a half hour news show is dedicated to it here.

I fell in love with Aussie working and living on a sheep and cattle farm outside of Tenterfield when I was 20-21. I’ve travelled to every major city in Aussie (yep Tassie as well) and a hell of a lot of the little ones. I’ve travelled one end to the other on every main Aussie road and skinned more Roos than I can count. All I ever wanted was to return and it took me years but I finally made it.

Now I am just so bloody disappointed that it regularly brings me to tears. I have e-mail after e-mail from outraged and devastated Australians, they often describe themselves as “broken” by what is going on – but just e-mails mate, just to me, not quite willing to put the outrage anywhere else because bit scared of the consequences mate.

No, I don’t understand you, I thought I did once but now when I hear “not me mate” it comes from a whole other place.

Thats ok mate,I thought I under stood you once jewels And no longer do.
But such is life , could go on but no see I really want to be able to post without blues.
We are never going to share views you questioned me about my dislikes, yet it is impossible for me to think any one can not see why I hold them.
Lets leave it there Julie, all the best but we need to leave it.

I didn't mean you Belly I meant the "you" as in "Aussies".

Why they wont stand up when outraged, why there is so much fear.

The secrecy is all about fear, silencing scared people because they themselves are scared and on it goes.

Jewely:

Perhaps it's part of our upbringing? I grew up with being extremely proud of "We're British, you know!" it was instilled in us at school.
It wasn't about "fear" as such, it was simply in "doing the right thing!" I went to an all-girls High School, where our Headmistress was a very conservative Scot - (but in actual fact - more British than the British) whose ethos was "Always be a Lady!" and she tried to instill in all her "girls" behaviour that she felt was appropriate
for women who were going to "grace social gatherings." Conservative?
(And then some). So, speaking your mind, was not an option that was encouraged. It's taken me years to get over it. But even now, old
habits die hard at times.

Hey Lexi, watching the first reactions to wikileaks and how Aussie govt responded in a knee jerk way I think I understood the hold they want and impose on the people in a general sense.

I’m going to go look up protests, Belly mentioned the Springbok tour and I remember those ones well. But I wonder if Aussies do protest much about anything in opposition to government anymore.

Jewely:

Aussies will always voice their protests with governments on a variety of issues be they against war, same-sex marriage, abortion,
freedom of choice, euthanasia, environment, climate change, and so on. You'll get Green voters urging the end to logging in old growth forests on the one hand with logging families out on the street demanding their jobs be protected on the other. Then also people voice their views from blogging, to talk-back radio, street rallies, reality TV, as well as regular elections. There used to be a time when
people would get on a "soap-box" in a Park and vent their feelings. Now they've got the internet, and discussion forums.

Yep some people can do that… you know there are many people banned from doing that though. Like whole departments and everyone associated with them.

So we can say some Aussies get out there and vent while anyone with real info is kept quiet.

And then along came Julian and government reacted in a gibbering panic.

We've so taken this thread off track. :)

Got the message jewely thanks,
Aussies do not hide in the corner they get up and have a go.
But not like they once did fear in the work place sees some stay in the corner.
Watch the noted people rushing to aid Mr Wikileaks, they are mostly Aussies and I am proud of their defiance of American power miss used.
Lexi yes went that way England was home for third generation Australians.
We each and every one of us should get down on our knees and give thanks for post war migration, it gave us much, including pride in our country.

Belly:

Is it any wonder that I admire you so much?

“Aussies do not hide in the corner they get up and have a go.”

That’s what I thought but not what I have experienced so far, that’s why I am so disappointed. Not that I don’t understand given the weight of a government boot on your neck.

“But not like they once did fear in the work place sees some stay in the corner.”

Yup. My workplace is a bit different, it’s all corners.

“We each and every one of us should get down on our knees and give thanks for post war migration, it gave us much, including pride in our country.”

Don't forget The Forgotten Belly babe.

I hope something big happens with Wikileaks, something that changes transparency in government here.

Jewely:

I think that Wikileaks will make all governments a bit more careful with their communications in the future. For a while at least.

Oh, is that all. Well that is a little disappointing.

I might go find my cat and kick it...

Jewely:

Nah, don't do that - go have some chocolate or indulge in something you really enjoy doing instead. That's what I do when I'm depressed or upset about something! Give yourself a treat! (Or someone you love). ;-)

Jewely,

It's refreshing to see the pollies on the back foot and scrambling to validate their actions - to realise that from this time on they may be under greater scrutiny. And when can you last remember such resounding agreement and solidarity emanating from and amongst the general public...strange days indeed.

I sense that the time of the "activist" is once more on the rise...London's getting tickled up at the moment.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I feel as if The wikileaks saga may represent a "defining moment" in the post-industrial world (even if its effects are watered down).

Cats can take it Lexi and it’s better for me. Thought I’d go find the neighbours cat later, nothing better than hunting down a predator. I can even convince myself I am doing it for all the little native animals.

Wish I was depressed and upset, disappointment is much harder for me to deal with because it means I had expected something honest and I thought I’d recently become immune to that.

Poirot, I only just caught your post and the neighbours cat may yet remain unscathed!

“Perhaps I'm being naive, but I feel as if The wikileaks saga may represent a "defining moment" in the post-industrial world (even if its effects are watered down).”

That was what I was looking for, something, and anything. Naive is probably a Swedish crime “surprise of govt lies” or something.

Poirot I hope you are right, but need to clear a few things up.
England is in debt, but I think education should not be the target.
Do not agree with the violence, police injured, and know demonstrations need not be that wild to work.
Up the thread I made reference to the Australia I was born in, WE LOVED OUR COUNTRY
But got down on bended knees to our mother country.
Not me, my dad a war service man, openly refused to stand for God save the Queen me too always.
Migration showed me how to eat how to save and that I did not have to think of my country as a colony.
I again want to say politicians ALWAYS talk like that, to each other and other country's.
Most off us would too, if in their job.
The crime is America and its Friends Gillard is one of those, who want an Innocent mans blood.

do it for king and cuntry
get guilted into it..by pat-rot-ism
do it for the core...or the colours..for ya mate

its not to late

have one for mum..one for dad..and one for downer
geez...there is nuthing..so droll as catch-cries
simple matras..for the simply minded

parties for the 2 party machine-men
unionists in suits..to talk to the men in suits
claiming to think/speak..for the blue collar working slobs

the wage slaves...hump that load
lift that bail...take a little break
end-up in jail...feed the swine bullssss-hit

none so blind as those who make excuses for all they refuse to see the master doing...look at the bright side of life..you can allways go home and kick the wife and make love to the cat

[just take the blue pill..you dill...not the red one...we even got medication they cant live without..stop working..we stop your meds]

can you see there..is a huge con going on
no all you fel is a XXXX'..comming on

buy a new tv..buy a new computa..buy buy buy
then got homeless for not paying ya rent

worry...not me mate

im just laughing how ya got sucked into the huge con
put stuff in ya water so yaq cant breed
go to a quack to get the cure

only the right type..[consuming/simplton]..is allowed to breed
just trust me..she'll be right..[dont all the adds tell the idiots to get their insurance]

ya got a bigger chance
of dying of a bee-sting..than a buche fire
numbers mate their only for the most clever guys..[in suits]
who dont need guns..cause they own the rules..and rule the law/jail..and everything else..go get ya flue shot..get out now

what makes ya think people..want to live without their homes for anyhow?

better the family dies together
than goes homeless/bankrupt/broke..together

one rule dont fix all
live withit

its not worth dying for
but is it even worth living for?
many think not..thus what...me worry..not on ya life mate

UOG:

Is it any wonder that I admire you so much?

Reading that outloud I then went and did a search on youtbue, convinced I was that you had copied lyrics from somewhere. I couldn’t find it… did you?

sorry jewels...i make it up...or rather..[channle it]

it does sound like something jonny rotten wrote though

but i was rather sure it came from john[lennon]..
who is allways in my thoughts...but then who knows
[just wish i didnt have to type it..lol]

anyhow...its from john
wrote while sitting on another john
while having his smoko

its deadicated to yoko
letting us all in on the joke
but more written ..as being from blok to bloke
[taking a poke]

im sorry...about not being able to confirm..its not all from me
[but im still unsure just egsactly what me seems to be

if we know nothing..[then thats all we know]
if we chose to know nuthin...so the tree grows

we know one rule...one cure...cant fix all
yet they try to lord it over us...we reap as we did sow

i chose to live by the word
and am ever ready to die for using the wrong one

every son should have a mother
but every man should have a wife

few get the balance right
we get as we deserve

there is so much imagry ..im trying to convert into word
some of it strange..others simply absurd...but i filter it through the filter...of the topic in questions..

much is opinion...others suggestion...
but all has its roots ...in the belly of the question

im just sorry that
im excreting out..at the end of it

hasnt offerd a higher completion

anyhow i dont write words onto paper
[but feel some paper product..would be usefull..

{oops carfull..deletion]
hasty completion

abrubt terminouse
[by auther/scribe/channel]..more man than mouse

You have more fans now I’ve read the posts out to the room.

I read the first one and immediately Johnny Rotten was mentioned. I wish I knew a band…

I’d like to hear Grace Jones read them out loud.

My son has a mother, my husband has a wife. I’m Libra so maybe that means balance is important to me.

I often wonder what I deserve and at what age we control that. If not me mate who?

My son has a mother,
thus..needs no further mothering
but like any man...needs further loving

i call it..the first step..every child..*deserves

my husband has a wife...
i know this to be true
thus he is a luckey man...having step two..[you]

being Libra that means balance
but but also many other liberalities
everything from liberty ..to liberation
in liberaries..or in liberty trees..liberty stands supreeme[dream]

but like the first two
to many these libera-teaze..remain...'not me mate'
regardless of who they ask..for some light..or liberal insight

you deserve the best..those who love you[only] can give
sure there is bodilly need..or being victim of others greed

but jewels are weighed in a balance..[measured by the carrot]..if thats not bankable...then im lost..as to what else..we got..
of value so supreem..as that weighed out..on the jewelers_beam

[but live the dream..[smoke if you have em][we dont want people to think your just blowing smoke..[that was a joke..ok take a poke..

and at what age we control that...
matters not in the least...if son be..[or daughter too
if mothers and fathers love..and lovers too..its a feast

and then there is gods love
who alone loves us all equally true
giving us each far more..than we could be due

If not me..mate
..then its fair to ask...who
if not you?

it occured to me..after writing many posts ago
that daughters need their mothers due too...but the father
bother lover thing as well...this can help to cure the issues of overly mothering complex...that many a girl astray lure

you cant change him
so your better of ex-changing..that particular...him
leave the diffi*cult ones..for god...he alone has the kid gloves this type loves...

he alone wont fall through the floor of eggshells this type center's.. arround him..[them]...you know the type..mothers boys who think their poop dont stink

the ones who stink up a room
look ya in the eye..and say..not me mate

with not even a wink...
hey what you think..
it is.;.not me mate
so the clue falls..on you..
the/lipstick..on ya collar...[underpants]...mate..

i know..
it's..not me

mate..thus by VIRTUE
of..non elimination...BY ME..

iknow..ITS YOU*

im not ya mum kid

Thank you OUG xxx.ooo

OUG you have given the thread new meaning.
Not one I was unaware of but it has reminded me .
All views have value, all people are equal, yes it has to be true or humanity is lost.
OH different education , reildgions,so much can shape us but we are born the same.
No Me Mate I never get it wrong! yes I do often.
I am reminded of the direction I launched this thread on this morning.
Police and rescue are up set At the foolishness in the floods.
Needless deaths, rescues at great risk to both, Having worn the orange overalls at such times I have seen the idiocy and pain watch both police and rescuers cry and risk their lives.
You remind me, we are all much the same money status nothing can make one man better than an other,but actions, your attitude, can be a great joy in a dark hole.

OUG:

A big hug from me as well!

It's obviously just me, but I can't for the life of me work out what OUG's stream-of-consciousness stuff offers the reader apart from the vicarious experience of the effects of some kind of psycho-active drug.

Vive la difference, I suppose.