I asked the same sort of question here:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11330#192320

And again it went nowhere.

Ludwig posts, on Monday, 13 December 2010 at 9:01:13 PM:

"I asked the same sort of question here
[on the comments thread to the article
'Populate for lower living standards']:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11330#192320

And again it went nowhere."



The question(s?) as you put it on the 'Populate for lower living standards' comments thread was:

So, how do we get our government to really
embrace sustainability, including a stable
population and an economic system that is
not predicated on a continuously bigger turnover
every year (or every quarter for that matter)?

How do we overcome the fundamental democracy-destroying
connection between the business community and economists
(or more correctly; pseudoeconomists or false economists),
and government?

How do we make our government uphold one of its
most vital roles of being independent of undue
influence by powerful players with deep pockets?


Your general question posed in the opening post of this topic, 'Queensland’s infrastructure report card', more or less encapsulates these questions.



Could it be that your questions are too big, too ramifying, for users to address?


Should some of the premises upon which your questions are based themselves be re-examined?



From users' points of view, how do they continue to make a living and exercise some form of direct control over how they will benefit from foreshadowed but as yet unspecified changes to the economy?

I know I have wanted to address your posts for some time now, but see myself as having to say the unsayable, to skip too many steps of reasoning, in order to do so with any brevity. With the eight posts per day limit in this part of the Forum, potentially what amounts to a 2,800-word article could be posted to this otherwise seemingly languishing topic without hogging the discussion. If set up ready to go in a series of text documents, and the posting timed for a quiet time on OLO, there would be little likelihood of the continuity being broken up by others' posts.

Does this approach make any sense?

thank forrest..for asking the questions[without following links]

quote..<<how do we get..our government to really
embrace sustainability,>>

we dont get..the govt to do anything
IT AINT LISTENING..to little people
only big-wigs..or party machine/men..or their pay-masters
or the public[self]..services..

ie lawyers..looking for new cash steams
out of..the people pocketts

<<a stable population..>>
its easy...tax new-comers...
a base rate to settle here..

<<an economic system..that is/not predicated
on a continuously bigger turnover every year>>
easy as...instead of giving leases away to the rich
[like cleve palmer..and his latest 65 BILLION lease[via a 20..billion loan deal]..arranged by blight co-signing..on behalf of govt

GOVT GETS THE LEASE..itself..and develops it..ITSELF

making 40 BILLION
instead of..half a billion in royalties
over the next quater of a century

<<How do we overcome the fundamental democracy-destroying
connection between the business community..and pseudoeconomists[false economists),and government?>>

thats not going to be easy
but lets start with restoring the upper house
and setting a base pension..for ALL public servants

then taxing those with too much cash
or too much debt...[the big users must pay]
the more you use
the more you pay

<<How do we make our government..uphold one of its
most vital roles..of being independent of undue
influence..by powerful players with deep pockets?>>

thats too easy
any giovt worker...is banned from cash dealing
during..or after public service

any movement of their assets..[off shore]...
gets a tax rate of 50 percent...

failure to declare assets/income..immediate forforture
and trwason charges

to whom much is given
much is expected

after public service..your money is no good here
you live on past credit..via pension stipend
but loose it...if you go offshore

was that all the questyions
i still have more answers

govt should be run out of school districts
adminesterd locally via mens/womans co-governing..
half of the budget..each...

meetings held at the same time/place
[the local school..who runs EVERYTHING..to do with government..FROM THE SCHOOL]..via the weekly meetings..that spend this weeks revenue[down the middle]..paying the small bills first

govt insures[underwrites]...everything within its district
its role /purpose being..to preserve value/security/function-ability..of assets [locally]..and enhance..the skills/talent of its trust..[the people]

need anything..
just go to school..!

[see previous posts]