I really have a problem with these types including the CO2 fed green imbeciles.
I mean at what point do these loons recognise we humans are as much a part of this rock as any other thing here, at what point do these loons stop trying to reverse evolution? I mean for F's sake!

I'm all for looking after the environment for our own benefit and that of the planets other species, but not at the extent that we need to kill off humans as a virus on the planet. And not that we should all give up our current standard of living so a few can feel good about themselves.

These people have a serious mental illness, one which seems to be growing by the day as can be witnessed by the increased number of loons on this site and not to mention within our bureaucratic ranks :(

Why are we even pandering to these loons? We should all just tell em to go top themselves, seriously, they're making life for us normal people frustratingly painful :(

How about instead of gov' sponsored drug rooms we have gov' sponsored topping rooms? I'd vote for that!

Enjoy your short time on this rock people and let the next generation worry about their own problems. None of the ones before us worried about us!

Have a laugh :)

George Carlin - Saving the Planet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

There are extremes in any position. This is one good example of the ludicrous, almost as bad as the previous Pope touring through Africa encouraging the poorest of people to abandon contraception.

It is not a reason to stop thinking about population sustainability and I have faith that human beings are by nature pro-human rather than anti-human, otherwise there would be a nil care factor about the environment on which we so depend.

This site was probably designed by an unfettered growth supporter as a type of reverse psychology against environmentalists. Nothing like bringing out the big guns when your own positions is on a tenuous footing.

Baygon,
This is philosophy and I'm exploring a contrapuntal posture. Having had a good look at the position of the VHEMT crowd, I don't take it lightly. But I'm so used to reading anti-humanist rhetoric that I'm wary of its easy passage (there's nothing like a bit of constipation for thinking things over properly).
The fact that refusing to breed is the one "thing we all can do" speaks volumes about the fully catered existence we endure, and the sense of hopelessness many people feel (A book to read is "Pessimism of the Intellect" by Duncan Thompson). I find it heartening that there is always a way to lodge a protest, and that so many people refuse to conform, even when there's no positive option.

If the "birth rate is not really the trigger" and the death rates are, hasn't VHMET got it topsy-turvy? For me, neither form of attrition is the solution--though I see no point in eking out one's existence beyond the natural use-by date. I already have an arthritic hip and don't want to contemplate how that would feel at 80. Longevity is overrated.

By "potential," above, I was referring to "essence," which doesn't have to be a metaphysic. Our essence is our potential and we should measure ourselves against that. Of course no one knows what our potential is, as it is thwarted and discredited in the current dispensation.
Personally, I've never cared tuppence about death; if I'm told tomorrow I've got a week to live I shall relish the insights this might provide me.
But I do care about the kind of world we live in. Humanity is unique in being able to harness and tame a hostile environment to accommodate it, it just hasn't learned (yet) how to do it sustainably.
Let's not forget that nature is just as ruthless and indifferent as we've been hitherto.
I think the VHEMT is a worthy enterprise in its foundational polemic, but it should expand its horizon beyond self-immolation, stop evading responsibility, and use that considerable will to find and enact workable solutions for the whole biosphere.

There is no inherent value in humans.
There is no inherent value in humanity itself.
There is no inherent value in the outcome of our actions.
There is no inherent value even in Gaia herself, or of this cosmos for that matter.

Our body is but a tool.
Humanity is but a tool.
Our actions are but a tool.
The earth is but a tool.
The world is but a tool.
One day it will all be gone.

However,

Our life as humans is a valueless opportunity:
We get to choose,
We get to experience,
We get to relate with each other,
We get to grow,
We get to forgive,
We get to realize our true nature,
And that is all that matters!

GATE GATE PARAGATE PARASAMGATE BODHI SVAHA

Go, go, go beyond, transcend it all, hail the enlightened!

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@BAYGON

FAMILY SIZE.
You can self limit family size to 3 children/couple without even increasing the population. 2.1 is the replacement level alone.

If most couples have 3 children, then this fixed the losses from those who have none, and those who die unexpectedly.

IMMIGRATION.
I will rejoice greatly when those who advocate lower birth rates for us, will ALSO make the same hue and cry to STOP IMMIGRATION.

CYNICISM.

Unfortunately those who advocate 'small families/less children' ALSO promote mass migration of foreigners into Western Democracies.
This fits perfectly with the
-Dilute national/ethnic/religious identity.
-Prepare the way for world socialism.
scenario.

So..BAYGON.. should we interpret your 'human extinction' call as an equal call for ZERO IMMIGRATION ?