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At the first sign of resistance Labor backflips.

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http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/fury-as-labor-backs-farmers-20101020-16ucr.html

In order to placate its green voters prior to the election, Labor promised to implement the recommendations of the Murray Darling basin authority. At the first sign of organised resistance from the farmers, Julia Gillard's team folds.

Does Labor stand for anything? It should simply promise to do whatever the polls of the day say are the most popular.

As for the mining tax, it looks as though Julia Gillard is about to break her word with the miners as well.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 21 October 2010 11:05:50 AM
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No one knew what was going to be in the authorities recomendations.
Water savings need to come from a wider perspective.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 21 October 2010 6:10:25 PM
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No backflip has happened regarding the Murray Darling Basin Plan. What are you talking about? There's been no "folding" in relation to the Murray Darling Basin Plan. Labor made a commitment to implement the recommendations, which will be written and finalised after the extensive consultation with all parties concerned. The current suggestions in the plan are just that "suggestions, a starting point for the lengthy and complex consultative process. Labor is sticking to their commitments. No backflip/no folding.

It's a great idea that Tony Burke is prepared to canvass the amendment of the Water Act, should those agreed Basin Plan recommendations, when they are finalised, be in jeopardy because of legal technicalities. The farmer lobby supports him with this, as they should, because it's in their interests.

This issue is a great example of Labor honouring it's election commitments IN FULL
Posted by samsung, Thursday, 21 October 2010 7:30:32 PM
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SHADOW.... Julia Gillard is a member of the Fabian Socialists.

You should expect nothing LESS from one.

Remember where they got their name ? From Quintus Fabius Maximus who adopted the 'no head on conflict' approach .. nay..he used the 'deprive the enemy of resources, harrass him.. deceive him." method
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 22 October 2010 3:27:13 AM
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Shadow Minister:"Does Labor stand for anything?"

Of course it does - it stands for ensuring that old union leaders have somewhere to go when their members wake up to them...
Posted by Antiseptic, Friday, 22 October 2010 6:09:49 AM
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Oh dear, how sad and empty as an attempt to abuse Gillard, "SHADOW.... Julia Gillard is a member of the Fabian Socialists".

Even these fearful silver-haired gradualists would be ashamed to house Gillard these days, and her claims to be a Fabian are about as believable as her claims to be an atheist.

She is a shocker of a PM, to be sure, and does not deserve to last a single day in the job, but the alternative with Cardinal Abbott and his gang of Bishops in danger of being let loose in government are even more dreadful a prospect.

Antiseptic does have a good point. The Senate is a dumping ground for generally dull-as-ditchwater union hacks, with a few lonely exceptions of course, but even the green-leather lounge is full of deadheads, gathered up via the career path of 'staffers' and 'ministerial advisors'.

But, let's be fair here.

It's not as if we could look over to the Coalition and see a host of bright-sparks waiting to take control, is it?

Sadly, the political system attracts these sort of people, and we all keep electing them instead of standing and putting forward the 'real' way forward.

Given the sniping we engage in here, I really see no difference between 'us' and 'them'.

Pathetic, isn't it?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Friday, 22 October 2010 7:52:01 AM
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Samsung "No backflip has happened"

Are you kidding? While this is a draft, in the draft is the results of the study that between 3000 and 7000 gigalitres of flow are required to restore the river, and that the lower figure is the absolute minimum.

To achieve this requires about 37% cuts to the water allocations. Julia's bunch has "set up a committee to review the economic impact" and could "amend the Howard government's Water Act if it prevents him from protecting rural economies in the Murray-Darling Basin."

On what planet does this look like commitment to the policy?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 24 October 2010 5:43:30 AM
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Labor's promise is being kept IN FULL.

The promise was to implement the recommendations of the Murray Darling Basin Authority *AFTER* community consultation; the recommendations of the Authority are just that "recommendations". These recommendations are NOT the final draft. The complex and lengthy consultation process is now happening AS PROMISED. When the plan is finalised , after community consultation, it will be implemented AS PROMISED.

Nice "spin" you have on the truth Shadow Minister, but your posts here are pure political muckraking and have nothing to do with truth or reality. Nice try.
Posted by samsung, Sunday, 24 October 2010 11:16:59 AM
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I want to highlight the author of this thread has other posts Worth noting.
One infamous one says Gillard can not be trusted, because she changed her mind.
In debate or general discussions both sides should be open and prepared to hear the other sides views.
This author is not such a person.
Such threads are not placed to Begin a discussion.
They exist to trap the likes of me in to a slanging match.
I truly regret the loss of great posters and think we all can do better, I let myself down by responding to Shadow Minister.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 24 October 2010 2:02:30 PM
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Shadow Minister the Spin Meister for the Coalition.

Got to admire his/her persistence if nothing else but sometime one has to look in the mirror and the view might not be so pretty without the rose coloured glasses.
Posted by pelican, Sunday, 24 October 2010 3:17:46 PM
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Belly,

While women are proverbially allowed to "change their minds", breaking election promises, and reneging on agreements puts one firmly in the camp where one's word cannot be trusted.

The promises she made that are of no consequence she has kept, but the ones that really matter, for which require strength of character she has broken or is indicating she will, such as:

No Carbon tax,
Stick to MBA recommendations,
Discount state taxes to the miners under the MRRT.

Considering she has only been in power for 6 weeks, she can have all her promises broken by Xmas.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 25 October 2010 3:59:34 AM
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I said some thing in another thread that fits Shadow Minister.
At a time Labor is not looking good conservatives seem intent on looking worse.
Two regular posters have it down to pat.
It worked too ,in the last election with assistance from Labor fear and promises hardly likely to be kept won back nearly enough votes.
It will always bring some chooks in to the shed in fear of phantom Fox's.
No real need exists to support a confrontational combative policy.
Julia Gillard is not Labors savior.
She is barely keeping Labor people content.
A fact that can not be ignored is Abbott's polling proves he can not win while being propped up by silly policy's such as this threads blindness to reality.
Bill Shorten, this country needs you.
Watch SM turn that spud in to a pumpkin.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 25 October 2010 5:10:36 AM
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Belly,

According to the Nielson ratings, Labor looks as though it is circling the drain, with only one voter in 3 willing to vote Labor. In order to try and win the centrist voters it has compromised its promises and principles to such an extent that nearly a quarter of its original voters have moved to the greens.

Now even some of the union support is moving to the greens, and the more Julia moves to appease the greens, the more she gets hammered from the liberals.

As I predicted, Labor is in the biggest wedge of its life, and the constant compromises and backflips are eating away the trust from either side of the electorate.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 25 October 2010 11:02:08 AM
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In changing the subject of your thread Shadow Minister you seem to agree with my last post.
Bit hollow saying the greens have about 25% of Labors votes.
Those lost left unions do support the greens, they are even less in numbers than greens.
It is true, greens have been around a while, always had about 5%
My dysfunctional party gives up about 8% to them.
But in reality you know, I know, the world knows polls mean very little so far out from an election.
Yes Abbott leads the 2 party preferred by an election winning number.
That number however did not Win big Kim office.
Your inability to gaze at your own navel or your party's lets you over look how your leader went in that poll.
By the way at 10 am tomorrow it will be one week from the time I ended my time as official in our country's greatest union.
I however till death will support it and be proud to have been part of it, and to have gone down standing up to a rude ,controlling boss out of touch with his workforce.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 25 October 2010 1:31:06 PM
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Shadow Minister, I see you've been unable to stick to the topic. I have proven that your "backflip" comment about the Murray Darling Basin Plan is TOTALLY FALSE. So what do you do? You move on to other things.

At least all readers now know you're a "spin" merchant, to whom truth is irrelevant.
Posted by samsung, Monday, 25 October 2010 2:08:57 PM
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Samsung,

Perhaps you should read this.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-promises-to-stick-to-murray-darling-basin-authority-plan/story-fn59niix-1225903313049

"LABOR will buy "whatever is necessary" to implement the Murray Darling Basin Authority plan and return more water to the river."

I am talking about commitments before the election, not the modified ones afterwards. Before you use such strong words as "proved" you should check your facts and at least try and provide a scrap of evidence before you put your foot in it.

Other wise you will join Julia Gillard as someone whose word is worth nothing.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 25 October 2010 5:14:11 PM
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8 months ago, before the rain the Murry Darling looked headed for its death.
Even longer ago John Howard showed interest in its future setting up an inquiry.
We have had rain beautiful rain, unexpected but so very good.
Who doubts we will return to drought one day.
Who thinks we can continue to sell more water from this system that it can give up.
75% said in a recent poll we should fix it, few who oppose fixing it understand no one will get water without regulation.
SM surely you know? you can not be taken as some one who is interested in any thing but spin.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 25 October 2010 5:26:33 PM
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Belly,

At what point have I said that nothing should be done? Setting up a straw man by putting your interpretation on my intentions and then attacking me for them is the worst form of spin. This thread is about Julia Gillard's government backing away from its promise to buy back water. Where on earth do you get that I want nothing to be done?

Julia Gillard claims that because it is cheaper to buy water that this is the only solution they would follow.

The liberal plan to spend more to reduce evaporation to deliver most of the requirements would both save water, not damage the rural communities, and keep the bread basket of Australia going.

I can see why Julia Gillard delayed the publishing of the draft report, as she would not be PM today if she had.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 7:31:05 AM
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