http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-against-rob-oakeshott-in-his-electorate/story-fn59niix-1225927599105

"ROB Oakeshott is facing a backlash from some voters in his electorate.

They are expressing their fury with his decision to back a Labor minority government.

The independent member for Lyne, who has backed away from his bid to become speaker, last week became the subject of an online petition from voters and will tomorrow become the target of an open letter to be distributed among businesses in his electorate."

And so it begins:

RO is in for a beating from his electorate. The question of whether he survives the next election depends on when he admits he backed the wrong horse.

i will give/you a clue
all corrosponance..to polititions...
is cross/refereanced..with the voter-registration

you would-be supprised..how many decievers..try to lie
pretending..to be in his electorate..or even..voting-for him

go figure..everyone..has an adgenda
or else-why bother to write

polititions..have long-ago realised this
thus the need to confirm..the simple-things

rob..is conected..to his electorate
knows how people get bussed-in..etc

trusts his inner-circle..and his instincts

can smell-out a lie...easilly..
more easy now..he has some authority

you cant hurt an innocent man..trying only to do the right-thing

john-how/hards...way was yesterday...
even the downer/trickery..is well known
its time to realise..

your not dealing with a fool/..nor a tool
honest/men..are few and far/between
seldom heard/seldom seen

but the acorn..dont fall far/from..the oak-tree
[ok..except in the case of kim/beastly]

Yes, well, his three years of fame is looking a tad shakey, don't you think.

As I have said previously, I just hope he didn't sign a long lease on his office.

Oh dear SM, using those very objective Australian articles again. Well i live up here and i can tell you Rob is not facing any wide spread backlash. Many people are a bit disappointed as this is a conservative area. But unlike some conservatives we are not blind and ignorant to the issues. The majority understand his decision even if they don't agree and public mood over the threats to him are angry and 100% behind Rob. The behaviour of the opposition since the election and in particular the going back on his word over a matter that was always based in good will has seen the distaste for Abbott and his mates take a fast slide around here. Don't fool yourself SM, many of us were just as surprised that the independents went with labor but since the election Abbott has begun to revert back to the spiteful bigot we know he is. It might work on some issues when fear and immigrants are involved, but when he starts back stabbing his own the electorates patients will wain fast.

You're just tireless SM. If you're not a shadow minister, you definitely should be.

anyhow...lets get to the upshot..
of abbots upset..about oak-shot..becoming speaker

the eternal/oppisition..[wait/see]
quotes the constitution...40

'<<;questions arising...in*..the house of reps..shall-be determined...by a majority/of votes..[other than the speakers]>.

so the real question being..is a motion
[for speaker..or any other motion..a question]

i suggest a/..nomitation..is not a/..question..
if there is only..one* answer..[yeah..or neigh]

[besides the court system..is so slow..
it would take..a full-term..to resolve..any liberal contentions/appeal's]

but read-on..re..40

<<the speaker...shall-not/vote..UNLESS..the numbers are equal[and then he has casting vote>>>

ie nothing there..contradicts..anyone
[ANYONE]..nominated..from being..appointed/speaker..from becoming-one

next..con/50..<<EACH HOUSE/of the parliment..MAY...make rules..with respect/to[i]the MODE..in which...its powers/PRIVLEDGES..and IMMUNITIES..MAY-be exersized..and UPHELD>>

try eating on this one/too

52...EXCLUSIVE/powers..of the parlement

<<the parlement...SHALL/subject..to this constitution..HAVE exclusive-power..to MAKE..laws..for the PEACE/order...GOOD GOVT...>>

in short govt can do as it likes
[within..its area..of franchise

this definitivly..includes parlement

ok admittedly...it dosnt have any/to..do
much of the vile..it does..nor the states..
but the issue here is WHO can become speaker

and that is WHO-ever..
the govt can give/choses..to vote its numbers...to

have a nice-day
tony got it wrong...again

opposing..all big-new/taxes..is the only/thing he got right

no tax on carbon

[tax the/real polutants...
methane/laughing gas/dioxin/diesal particulate..etc]

and stop giving..miners exise egsemptions..for their diesal

cheers eh?

Dear SM,

Did you see Tony Windsor on the ABC last night?

He took the time to explain to his electorate
the current situation with the Liberal Party
and the reasons for his support of the current
government at a Town Hall Meeting. And, despite
some of those who were not quite happy, Windsor
received a standing ovation at the end of his
presentation and answers to questions asked.

As Windsor pointed out, the current behaviour of
the Liberal Party Leadership, only confirms
that the decision made by the Independents to
support th current government was the right one.

As Windsor stated, it appears that the instability
of Tony Abbott, (apart from the fact that he's a
sore loser), shows his determination to destroy the
current government at the expense of the Australian
people.

According to family living in Rob Oakeshott's electorate,
the reactions of people there today are exactly the same as
those in Tony Windsor's electorate.

Your thread as usual is simply a storm in a teacup
and if you're not a Shadow Minister, I also
second that you should be one.

Are you Tony Abbott's alter-ego?

By the way, do you realize that your threads and postings
are causing more damage to the Liberal Party - than
Tony Abbott's irrationality?

Foxy,

You are obviously talking to different people. I know several that voted for Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor who would not have if they knew which party they would back.

Tony is on firmer ground than Rob, but even he is not going to come out with more support.

Rob is less well entrenched, and with his attempts at cabinet and speaker have shown that he is not independent, and is quite happy to feather his nest.

SM, like the rest of the tories in this country just cant get over the fact that the independents did the "inconceivable" and went with labor.
Well you were wrong about that weren't you? Wasn't that "inconceivable" after all was it?
The same as you will be proven wrong about RO when he is returned at the next election. Who else are they going to vote for the Nationals? ROFL

This is just sour grapes from the "born to rule" party and their supporters. Petulant tantrums from immature children. Suck it up tories and get used to it. With your current mob of dinosaurs you will not be forming government anytime in the next decade.

Phoney tony has shown his true colours and proven that not only cant you believe anything he says you cant believe it even if it is in writing with his signature on it. A vile dishonourable little creep who is not to be trusted.

There is nothing more unAustralian than a bad loser

Tony Abbot is trying to do a me too by becoming a promise breaker just like our back stabbing pm who is already making excuses for not delivering her promises. How dare he try and imitate our PM like Mr Rudd did Mr Howard. What a dirty business.

Dear Shadow Minister,

I obviously am talking to different people
than you are - but that's not to say that
the ones you're talking to are right as to what
the electorate thinks or will do. The few people
that you're talking to and who appear to be disgruntled,
are not the majority. There will always be those who
are dissatisfied no matter what party they support.

As for the reasons why the independents chose to support
Labor instead of the Libs - they explained
all that in their press conference and as you
know Broadband and support to rural Australia
was the primary incentive (which
Libs didn't want to support) which
Labor supported, as well as stability in government.
Also the unfunded billions that were offered by the Libs
realistically - did not sit well with any of the independents.

We have a government be it in coalition, unlike
the Libs who ignore their Coalition with the Nationals,
and the decent thing would be to allow the government
the full term to prove themselves.

Howard had four terms of proving himself until the
electorate (and his own party) decided there was no
future with him. Under the present Opposition Leadership
we see a continuation of the Howard policies, no matter how
the Libs want to deny it.

It will be interesting to see how long Tony Abbott remains
as Leader of his party
under his current approach to opposition.
His popularity appears to be slipping daily.

[Deleted for toilet language.]

I vote Jockey for OLO poet laureate. LOL

Very nice.

"You are obviously talking to different people. I know several that voted for Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor who would not have if they knew which party they would back."

Simple SM, you are either a liar or you only talk to national party members. Your posts are irrational, subjective and demonstrate the same narcissistic traits that Tony Abbott does. You are intentionally misleading or attempting to mislead people.
Try viewing what is really happening, liberal lost the negotiations with the independents because they were negative and agressive. They are now in opposition with no where to go but out. Their attitude since loosing the election has been reprehensible and after your relentless campagne before the election i would have hoped you would have had enough humility to let it go.
Get some objectivity or don't, but respect is something you will struggle to get if you persist with this pointless crusade.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/all-bets-are-off-says-pm-20100917-15gbl.html

Nairbe,

You obviously forgot Julia Gillard's "KEY government promises made before the election no longer necessarily apply" as she announces her intention to break every election promise.

The people I spoke to were those I met at a schools sports meeting, most of whom had voted for the independents, and were annoyed with his choice. Given that prior to their choice, their electorates favoured a liberal government over a Labor government by nearly 2 to 1, I have a sound reason to believe what I do. Have you more than a few friends to base your opinions on?

If my posts are so irrational and subjective, they why is my guesstimates of what is going to happen so accurate? Your postings have been wildly biased and purely subjective.

Graham Y, you've GOT to be kidding surely. You deleted my poem because of "toilet" language? It was a good natured and funny dig at the Liberals, Wilson Tuckey and Tony Abbott's reneging on his agreement with Rob Oakeshott. Methinks poor old Graham must belong in the mid Victorian era. Learn to laugh Graham, even if it is against your beloved conservative parties.

Amazing!

Hey Graham - - Bronnie Bishop for PM (well at least that's better than Wilson Tuckey for PM; I think!)

Oh dear what have I just done? Graham will probably delete this for willful abuse against Bronnie and Willie.

I've just come across something
called the "fickle-finger-of fate," award
which was part of the American comedy show
called "Laugh-In," in the 1960s.

The award was given as a way of saluting dubious
achievements by the government or famous people.

It was a statue of a hand with a single finger
pointing.

Perhaps we should have something similar on this
Forum - to salute dubious achievments?

Jockey,

I realise that on your normal medium of communication (toilet doors) that language is less restrictive.

Perhaps you could read the rules and upgrade your posts beyond a year 4 Nah Nah Nah Nah level.

Dear Jockey

I was fortunate enough to read your humorous ditty before it was so ignominiously deleted. However, I think it is only fair to warn you (given the number of times I have been suspended) that you should never EVER disagree with the moderator - apparently this rule has been recently added to OLO's rules, although it was not there when I (and others) made this dreadful mistake.

Fond regards.

I'll give Graham the benefit of the doubt. You see, he did say it was "toilet" language, and yes I did humurously use the word drut (spell it backwards). So I suspect Graham considered that to be beyond the realms of decency even though it was used in a humurous poem.

Gee, I tell ya what, I'm glad old Shakespeare isn't alive today and on OLO. He'd be banned outright because of all those naughty words he used.

Oh yes, Graham please forgive me for using the word drut in this post. I promise to go to confession tomorrow before Mass.

Shadow Minister just said "Nah Nah Nah Nah".

LOL.

Now let's get back to Rob Oakeshott.

Dear SM,

Try to resist knocking freedom of expression
even though you support a political party
that believes that their members must toe
the strict party line.

There are those
in politics who believe that freedom of
speech is desirable because it enables
people to add to their knowledge. People
like Rob Oakeshott for example. ;-)

When I first started, when I overstepped the bounds, my posts were deleted. If I did so again they would be deleted again as per the rules.

The difference is that I read the rules and then followed them, and did not resort to childish claims of bias.

Obscenity, and toilet language are not acceptable. Suck it up, grow a pair and play by the rules.

It is entirely possible to express oneself without obscenity or flaming, well for most of us anyway.

Dear SM,

Some may find your expressions of,

"Suck it up, grow a pair..."

as rude, crude, and lewd. Yet to you
that's acceptable, as the norm.

I guess it all depends on who's doing
the expressing. We get it!

cont'd ...

Dear SM,

A final word:

"It is a crime to swear in rhyme
Especially of this Forum
We've been advised to show restraint
So let's try not to bore 'em!"

cont'd ...

My apologies for the typo.

It should read:

"Especially on this Forum."

If the voters in Oakeshott's, Katter's or Windsor's electorates wanted a Liberal government, then why didn't they vote for one in the first place?

Is it reasonable a government should be appointed on the basis of some spurious opinion polls of the members of three specific electorates?

Whatever their choice, the members of those electorates are the only ones able to make a judgement either way when the time comes and not as a basis for ongoing dissent.

I bet if those independents chose the other way then SM would be praising them for their collective wisdom and lack of bias.

We didn't make the rules but it's only fair that everybody should live by them.

The thing is that no matter what system is used Labor comes out winners.

Under the current system, Labor wins.
Two party preferred only, Labor wins.
First past the post primary vote only, Labor wins (they'll just form a coalition with the Greens).
New election, Labor wins (all the Labor voters who voted Green this time, will vote Labor next time to ensure there's no hung parliament).

So it's win, win, win ,win for Labor.

And Labor will be in power for a VERY long time. That's because the economy is now on the upsurge, and the signs for an extremely strong global recovery are gathering pace by the day. Well within 5 years the world will be booming economically, and the Labor government will be reaping the political rewards, just like the Liberals did in the early 2000's. We are also on the verge of the biggest mining boom in our history.

After Joe Hockey stabs Tony Abbott in the back in the next year or so, he'll be opposition leader for a VERY looooooong time.

Dear Jockey,

What if Malcolm Turnbull becomes the new
Liberal Party Leader, do you think
their chances of winning would improve?

Malcolm Fraser calls Turnbull a "real Liberal,"
that's why according to Fraser, Turnbull was ousted
by the "conservatives"
in the Liberal Party, (the conservatives,
Fraser does not consider as "real" Liberals).
That's why Fraser has resigned his membership of
the Liberal Party - which he claims is not the
Liberal Party that he initially joined, and the
one that Menzies founded. He considers the current mob,
a sad reflection of what the Liberal Party should be.

cont'd ...

Dear Jockey,

I forgot to add, talking about Labor winning next
time around by a country mile, that's guaranteed.

Let's not forget that in addition to Labor voters
voting Green, there was a large section of Labor
"abstaining" voters and a large section of "informal"
voters due the dissatisfaction with the previous PM's
demise. According to news-reports that amounted to
approximately 1 million votes. That is a large proportion
out of the 13 to 14 million eligible voters, who next
time around will not be risking a hung parliament, or
voting Liberal.

Unfortunately, the Liberal Party is in denial, and
are determined to undermine their own chances by
persisting in their campaign (electoral) mode, despite
the fact that a government has been elected and confirmed
by the Governor General.

The now almost daily statements by the Liberals that it is their "job" to bring down the government show that Oakeshott and Windsor made the right decision. The liberals reek of arrogance and seek to destroy instead of trying to be a viable alternative government.

Foxy,

You sound like belly in February.

A little optimistic considering that Labor's primary polling has dropped 4% to 34%.

Dear SM,

I don't know what Belly sounded like in
February. To me and everyone else on the
Forum - Belly has integrity, and he
usually makes a lot of sense. So I take
the comparison, as a great compliment.
Thank You!

I'm too polite however, to tell you what
you sound like.

As for your telling me that Labor has had a
drop in popularity - according to who?
The Libs and their supporters?
well, I guess, the feeling is that if you
repeat something often enough -
it will come true. Yeah, right!

According to the polls the popularity of the
Libs - is well and truly under the radar.
Except for a small and very vocal minority,
who, someone should quietly tell that they lost
the election - and that we do have a newly elected
government.

Foxy,

According to Newspoll, who have got it closer to the mark than any one else so far.

Upon what do you rely?

Belly in February predicted Rudd returned with an increased majority, In June he predicted Gillard returned with an increased majority.

Making assumptions based on personal wishes, rather than the evidence on the ground, is what I was referring to.

Dear SM,

I never make assumptions on "personal wishes,"
as a librarian, I've been trained not to do that.

So, can you give me your Newspoll link please,
because I also use Newspoll as one source, and
my results seem to differ to yours.

Thanks.

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/100904%20Federal%20Voting%20Intention%20&%20Leaders%20Ratings%20+%20New%20Government.pdf

PRIMARY VOTE+ LABOR

Newspoll 10-12 September 2010* 34

SM

I follow AFL, specifically St Kilda. Now, using your 'mathematics' St Kilda should have won the Grand Final because it scored the most goals; 10 to Collingwood's 9, however the points scored meant that the game resulted in a draw. Get it?

BTW

Your Newspoll link proves Labor won with the support of the Greens and Independents.

In your wildest dreams would the Liberal Party EVER win without its coalition with the Nats?

I'll save you thinking about it.

Answer: Never.

Next question will Tony Abbott give up campaigning and start to govern FOR Australia, like a decent Opposition should?

I'll let you answer that question.

Ciao.

After taking a poll of all colours of comments on your original post Sm,
I have concluded that "wrecking ball Tony" is as he always has been; un-electable.

Thank heavens for that!.

Even UOG thinks Tony is a drut. I think?.

I repeat are you Joe Hockey? SM

Severin,

If you cast your eye down you would see that the 2pp for the coalition had improved from 49.9 to 50.0%.

So in primary vote and 2pp things are heading the wrong way for Labor.

Is reading also an issue?

SM

If your 'reading' of the results is correct, why isn't Abbott P.M.?

Hmmmm?

Riddle me that, SM.

BTW

Can you not make a post without an insult?

Dear Severin,

Don't take any notice of SM - he's merely
grabbing at straws.

Newspoll accurately predicted the election
outcome. A win for Labor.
According to Newspoll and The Australian,
Labor won the two party preferred vote.
Also according to Newspoll Julia Gillard is
the preferred PM.

According to TV news reports and newspaper
articles -
there is dissatisfaction among quite a few Liberal
party members with Tony Abbott predictions
are being made that Tony Abbott will become the
Mark Latham of the Liberal Party and implode in
a fiery ball of crazy.

It's supposedly only a matter of time.

Foxy

I read the same Newspoll link SM provided and drew the same conclusions as you:

>>> Newspoll accurately predicted the election
outcome. A win for Labor.
According to Newspoll and The Australian,
Labor won the two party preferred vote.
Also according to Newspoll Julia Gillard is
the preferred PM. <<<

T.Abbott has claimed that the current Federal Government is illegal - if there was the remotest truth in this claim, there is no way that Julia would be in the lodge right now - he would've exhausted every possibility to gain a Liberal victory. However, he is like a car stuck with its wheels spinning in mud unable to move forward and will soon stall completely - a Turnbull takeover then? Let's hope so and maybe then we'll have an opposition that is sincerely interested in checking policies and decisions made by Labor really are for the benefit of Australia.

Dear Severin,

I totally agree with you, and as Malcolm
Fraser has also recently pointed out, that
Malcolm Turnbull is a true Liberal, and I
agree Turnbull should be the
leader of the Liberal Party if the nation is
going to make any progress. Turnbull would at last
provide us all with some sanity in the Opposition.

My husband has recently made an interesting
observation that judging by the postings of
the Shadow Minister he/she appears to be the appointed
"suicide bomber" of the Liberal Party.

Is it true that Shadow Minister is the love child of Wilson Tuckey and Bronwyn Bishop?

Dear Jockey,

I've heard the one about Tony Abbott
being the love child of John Howard
and Bronwyn Bishop. But could it be
that Shadow Minister is an orphan
looking to be adopted by the Liberal
Party?

Or -

Perhaps he/she wants to the Deputy Leader
of the Party? He/she can then challenge
Tony Abbott for the Leadership.

Ambition does strange things to people,
and that would explain a great deal.

[Deleted and poster suspended.]

Jockey,

You obviously don't have the mental horsepower to actually debate, and have to resort to the most tasteless of insults.

When you grow up and can think above your belt perhaps you could pass as human. In the mean whilst you reflect the crassness of the average labor voter.

Like Jockey said on another topic, internet bullies like Shadow M often paint themselves as 'victims' when someone uses similar tactics that they use. Notice how Shadow M casts himself as a 'victim' in his last post, then proceeds to personally abuse someone. Shadow M can dish it out, but he can't take it.

Politics is certainly an emotive subject,
(just like religion). Many people are
reluctant to modify their opinions, and
in discussions such as those to be found on
Forums like this one this usually results
in a complete breakdown in communication.

Ah well, I think it's time to move on.
Call me a whimp, but quite frankly, I've
had enough of politics for a while.
I'm not going to post any more unless I
have something new to say.

See you all on another thread.

All The Best.