What! No comment from CJ on the 'day one' stuff up!

Perhaps some sought of an explanation as to how on earth this could have happend on 'day 1' would have been a little more costructive, instead of trying to make fun of my spelling disorder.

How does this 'Day1' debarcle fit into the 'stable government' they said we were going to have.

And TZ52HX.>>> Imagine that, all coalitions banned, and preferential voting abolished! Great eh, yep we can then have parties who get 35% of the vote as our government ...... and bugger the other 65% majority who didn't vote for them

So isn't that what we have now.

Less people voted for labor than against, yet they have held government.

Which means, the majority didn't want them.

But it's those two ind that will pay the ultimate price. Unless by some miricle Labor can do a coplete turn around and get it right this time.

Now had they made one or even two mistakes, then that's feasible, but, with the amount of trophys they have in their three short years, for failures, I think we are kidding ourselves.

We can only hope!

Imagine that ..... a government elected on about 20% ..... and bugger the 80% who didn't vote for them.

Yep crackcup's brave new world of voting fairness. Well thought out crackcup!
Posted by TZ52HX, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 2:17:38 PM

TZ52HX: The outcome of a government elected on approximately 20% was the outcome that has seen Labor re-elected. A good percentage of Australians did not bother actually voting and for the people that have in fact voted: their votes were entirely wasted as a result of the current system.

Crackcup's brainstorming and other OLO Posters' previous suggestions on reform are building blocks for Australians to unite and hopefully one day in the near future, overhaul the current voting system and practices.

Why send up an entire concept when in fact, down the track, part of Crackcup's theory may be put in practice by one of the three Independents or another political identity after this year's election crap that served as a learning exercise!

ok give me a bit of room.
Time to climb up on the stump.
FIRST test me.
Go now to the AEC check out the two party preferred 20% are we to say foolish things like that?
WHO what party leads the two party preferred right now.
And how many seats did Labor win.
How many did Liberals win
How many Nats.
Did you include the WA Nat?
Greens got one.
Independents, are they in your view able to be independents?
Can they think for them selves?
Have we the right to say you got it wrong vote as I say.
What type of democracy do you want?
NOW one vote one value is my dream, but we may get government by one party without improvement from it forever
Big Kim got 51% Howard 49% and Howard won!
Check before claiming who won 2pp
KNOW labor would govern almost always if one vote one value kills the chances of smaller party's.
LAST understand these two are still independents and even those complaining here today will change their minds on seeing and understanding that very soon.
All those in favor of giving the elected government a chance hands up rechtub sit down you can not vote you are not a member.

1 independent went with the coalition Katter
Another Nat/Indy went to them
The Nats a different party make up the conservative coalition.
How in any way is that different than the government?
AEC this morning gave the 2 party preferred to Labor [so far 50.8 to 49.2
the coalition, both are ,with the most votes rules ok?

Rehctub and we are unique, neither of you quite understood what TZ said.

The Labor government was not elected on 20% of the total votes as implied by we are unique. And the Labor government was not elected on 35% of the total vote as implied by rehctub. Good spin though; you should both be politicians.

The official two party preferred vote at 11/9/2010 (with 93.2% of the primary vote counted) was Labor 5,921,802 votes, and Liberal plus the Nats 5,902,097 votes. So Labor got 50.08% of votes and the Liberal + Nats got 49.92% of votes. These figures, after preference allocation to "BOTH" sides, are from the Australian Electoral Commission Virtual Tally Room "the official election results". Here's the link to the figures http://vtr.aec.gov.au

TZ was referring to a system where it's first past the post with no preferences allocated. That can readily produce a government who gets just 15% or 20% or 30% of votes, where we have multiple popular parties. That was TZs point.

When governments gets elected on just 15% or 25% of total votes, it means democracy down the gurgler.

petej in time you will find entrench conservatives, some just anti Labor and some truly uninformed here.
We are unique is a good person but blind to anything other than conservatism.
Rechtub is not malicious just doesn't have much idea about politics.
I posted that information this morning it is just as you say.
Now how, tell me, can those who complain not notice the opposition is a coalition of Independents National and what ever Bob Katter and the WA Nat is?
And how can any one, noting the daily warnings from Independents think they are in Labors pocket?
Given the blindness of the Abbott plan complain and lie, I do not fear an election but want one bring it on.