To listen to the interview http://www.2gb.com/ Click on presenters and Ray's home page.There is no direct link.The gist of Baer's expose is that the USA is broke and will retreat to it's borders, thus leaving a power vacuum in in the Middle East.Israel feeling more insecure will attack Iran thus causing an oil crisis sending the West into a prolonged depression.Here we are seeing the rationalle for attacking Iran based on our possible future economic pain.

Iran is painted as the pariah by Baer,being a new global super power without a nuclear weapon.Looking at Baer's comments on Hardtalk 24/7/08 they contradict what he is now saying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRGsv9_ZxL8 Here Baer says that Iran is no threat at all and has no desire to acquire nuclear weapons.

Admiral Mullen the Chairmen of the joint chiefs of staff also says that Iran is no threat.

If Israel attack Iran,they have the capacity to stop vast quantities of oil coming from the Middle East.China gets 10% of it's oil from Iran and Iran has serious conventional weapon capacity.This will not be like attacking Iraq.Iran has the backing of China and Russia.

Israel has hundreds of nukes,so why does Israel feel so threatened and why the urgency?

"Iran is painted as the pariah by Baer.."

Care to explain the misinterpretation we must have of this, then Arjay...

http://www.news.com.au/world/israel-can-be-removed-from-the-world-says-mahmoud-ahmadinejad/story-e6frfkyi-1225914063834

arjay I use glasses when on line.
But never needed them to know you threads was from you.
Ray is a red neck and a fool.
It is clear America and Israel are targeting that nation run by idiots who hold a largely unhappy people prisoner.
Surely not this time?
Iraq, Afghanistan, tragic mistakes who have we helped?
Why invade why bomb.
America played a big part in the Russian defeat in Afghanistan, without great loss of its troops.
Why not use the unhappy prisoners of the idiotic fools ruining Iran?
Keep away from red neck fools they tend to send others sons a daughters to die in fights locals do not help much with.

StG you need to view the full context of what Ahmadinejad said.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
He was in fact quoting Khomeini who said that the ruling regieme in Israel must disappear thus giving liberty to the Palistinians.There was no implication of aggression.

Baer says that Ahmadinejad is not really in control and Iran has a Polit Bureau like the communists.Who really has the the record for aggression on this planet? The USA fought Nth Korea,Vietnam, Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan and interferred with the politics in dozens of countries.Who has Iran invaded recently?

Belly, Robert Baer was recommended by Nick Caldis the Deputy Commissioner of Special Forces in NSW .So here we have a Govt official singing the praises of Baer.

http://www.yoputube.com/watch?v=sDXurOmeJxc

Arjay,

No, of course, you're right. Iran and its glorious leaders are the shining beacon for all that's good in this world. I pray that one day we get to live under Sharia as it's so progressive and welcoming to all ways of life and trains of thought. The freedom of press in Iran is something our media should strive for and I for one cannot wait to see first hand the stoning to death of mothers in the street.

What we need to do is take the head off of Iran and let civil war implode it.

STG .You are sounding like a war mongerer.Using your logic w should be attacking Zimbabwe and 100 other countries.

Google Robert Baer 911 youtube.
Here we hear Thom Hartman's inteview.

Thom; Are you of the personal opinion that there there was an aspect of inside job to 911?

Baer; There is that possibility.The evidence points to it.

Thom; Why is it not being investigated?

Baer; Why isn't the WMD story being investigated? Why hasn't anyone been held accountable for 911? I mean people were held accountable for for Pearl Harbour.Why has there been no change in command?Why has there been no political repercussions? Why has there been any sort of political exposure on this? It really makes you wonder.

So here we have the contradiction of a high profile person whose credibility being underscored by our Govts and the security industry saying the very basis for attacking all these countries is seriously suspect.

Now Baer ignores these facts and exhorts the invasion of Iran as a solution.Where did you leave your logic StG?

sending the West into a prolonged depression.Here we are seeing the rationalle for attacking Iran based on our possible future economic pain.
Arjay,
That is the agenda ! That's the religious' fanatics' tactic to gradually gain control. Their rationalé is working. Hence more & more trouble spots for the West to think it has to go in & save them by depleting it's own security. But hey, the westerners are so smart.

Individual,I don't think that the religious fanatics are orchestrating a global depression.Have a look at the Global Reserve Banks who finance our Govts and the War machines who profit from it.

Good old Arjay :)

mate...you structured that scenario about as close as anyone could get without quoting some fairly heavy duty Biblical Texts for ARMAGEDDON.

Forget about the 'NeoCon Right/evangelicals' supporting Israel.. sheesh.. the bigger picture is much bigger than that.

All I can say people is... 'watch this/(that) space'....

And if the going get's a little rough (and I'm sure it will) some reflection on Matthew 24 might do us all some good.

If things start to pan out as you say Arjay..some of the sad mocking from certain elements on this forum will quite possibly turn and become "please tell us more" !....

Well..I can do that right now, the Gospel is not complicated.

All you have to do is look at the message Jesus brought when he began his ministry

"The time has come, the Kingdom of God is near, repent and believe in the Good news" Mark 1.15

AIR,Did you watch 60 minutes tonight? Terrorism is no longer the big threat.China is now the big threat for being so successful.We are have increased defence expenditure by $10 billion pa.The Military industrial complex are on the march again pushing for war with China.Just one of their new hyper sonic missiles are worth $ 1 million and we the sucker tax payer will oblige,like all the other contrived wars to line the pockets of the elites.

So AIR,if we go to war against China to line the pockets of the International Banksters and the arms dealers,what will our economy look like? Will you send your sons to be cannon fodder for bankster profit? Perhaps your shares in the banks will compensate for the death of your children.

Arjay,
There's one big difference you rather conveniently fail to draw attention to & that is that it is one story to defend one's borders against intruders & another to have to fight the intruder already within. So, do you prefer to bring up your sons to be prisoners in the country of their birth & be slaves to the invaders by stealth ?

10 minutes of 60 minutes and you've got it sorted. lol

China being the threat was one man's opinion, Arjay. HIS opinion was that it wasn't "a man in a cave", but China. That doesn't make it a reality. They do exercises that simulate attacks from EVERYWHERE. That's their job.

StG the US has been aggravating China for some time now.They are in Turkmeinistan getting oil,doing deals with Vietnam ie the prospect of military bases there,stirring up North Korea ,having navel exercises near China. etc.China is slowly ridding itself of $ US because they know the $US will collapse.China has just saved Greece from going under as the likes of George Souris want to trash the Euro to save the $ US.The Global Reserve banks were using credit default swaps to attack Greece's economy and the Euro.

So it is an economic war for now which the US is losing but they have the military might.So if you don't want another world war,get involved and comprehend what these lunatics are up to.You'll be laughing on the other side of your LOL if you don't.

Arjay,
There might be some reason in all of this but sorry, if it comes from Ray Hadley i will ignore it for the complete rubbish that it is. This person is an unforgivable bigot that has far too much influence in the Sydney population. This moron and his mate Alan are responsible for the misrepresentation of many issues and the spread of ignorant bigotry throughout the population. These are the very people that need to be held accountable for the damage they do.

nairbe,What I'm talking about has nothing to do with praising Hadley.You have not read or understood what I wrote.I was shooting down Robert Baer,Hadley's war mongerer.

Ok Arjay,
That's my prejudice out of the way. I would have to say that Israel fears Iran because they won't move no matter what on the point that Israel is not wanted by the middle east never has been and never will be. Some of the most disparaging remarks i have heard about Israel over the years have come from expat Israels'.
I know my view of Israel is not great but i don't know what they expect. it is a bit like showing up to a gay and lesbian party dressed as a skin head carrying a gun and wondering why no one likes you. If Israel wants acceptance in the middle east then they need to change their attitude not the other way around. this is of course like expecting Shadow Minister to be objective about politics, won't happen.
The US supports the Israels' because they are the only friend they have in the middle east and that really annoys them. The US still has dreams of being world dominate but despite the punishment that they have copped since WW2 when they began this conquest they don't seem to learn. Just like me and my hope that the media will become objective.