You cannot get a more shocking revelation of an Ideological doctrine other than that of what exists in the Quran, But Yes we do, that tells you to liquidate your dissenters ; and they did so , and in Abundance; I wonder who said that when his Doctrine was fund out to be an utter Fraud , ; and that was ?
But he gave it an epithet of Scientific ; that sounds a better than confabulated steaming pile of manure, for dung beetles to consume.

Dear Poirot,

To call something as complex and temporal as the current nation state instinctive gives instinct more of a role than it actually has. The nation state in its present form is a modern construction. European-style bureaucracy is an eighteenth century development. Prussia had the first modern bureaucracy. England in the eighteenth century did not have a standing army. Until the eighteenth century almost all nations were controlled by royal dynasties.

The first army made up of conscripts from the general population was Napoleon's. He had his many victories partially because he had the manpower. He was fighting nations whose armies were made of mercenaries and warrior classes.

In one sense the nation state is rapidly becoming obsolete. At this time many corporations are larger than a hundred of the smaller nation states.

We may even develop controls for the nation states and find that corporate entities have become a greater problem. They can shift headquarters from nation to nation and even supply their own armed forces.

Even the most brilliant and perceptive analyst cannot predict the future. By the time an analysis of the current socio-economic conditions is made it is obsolete.

Dear Davidf, I am not a "true believer", howevermuch it might suit you to portray me that way.

Davidf: <Even the most brilliant and perceptive analyst cannot predict the future. By the time an analysis of the current socio-economic conditions is made it is obsolete.>

I refer you to the following links, especially the first. Marx's economic predictions have proved scarily accurate!

http://www.nodo50.org/cubasigloXXI/congreso/moseley_10abr03.pdf

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_didn%27t_Marx%27s_predictions_occur

Dear Squeers,

I did not call you a true believer or refer to you as a true believer. You are not the only person on this thread who has taken issue with me.

When you accused me of referring to you before when I referred to a Marxist I was referring to Max Watts who has had an operation today for cancer. I do not know how it came out. I hope he is ok.

This time my reference to a true believer was not referring to you. Please believe me. I spend a good deal of time not thinking of you at all.

I argue with a good many people. Join the queue. I wish you well.

Dear Squeers,

Thank you for the links.
Just wanted to pick up on your point that: "Anything that defines a human nation today is lost in the soup of imperial multi-culti. We are consumers, transcending all boundaries."
I agree with that sentiment. In fact it seems that the imperial design is a at least a two-pronged arrangement, with the WTO, World Bank and IMF on the one hand working at the behest of giant corporations and barrier-free trade to ensure access to new markets - while on the other hand, the reigning super-power (in addition to its close involvement with the above financial institutions) does what it has to do militarily to ensure access to resources.
Seems a complicated web of control and manipulation is the key to globalised capitalism.

Dear Squeers,

You mentioned references where I could look up Marx's economic predictions.

His economic predictions seem spot on.

I have maintained that he was a bigot whose recommendations for the state resulted in tyranny and murder.

I do not fault his credentials as an analyst of capitalism. As an analyst of economic trends he was great.

As a decent human being he was not great.