Thought this might make for a good discussion:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ban-big-day-out-not-flag/2007/01/22/1169330794734.html

What do people think? I think fears of racial violence are not unfounded, given the relative recency of Cronulla etc. That and Invasion Day's just around the corner...

Course the main thing for me is that flags aren't very cool - people wearing them look like some weird patriotic superman who cant fly. Capes are lame everyone. Especially ones with gaudish colour schemes...plain black might look a little less stupid. Or perhaps a simple message like "I'm bringing capes back" written on there might help. Careful with it in the big crowds though...its generally best to wear something more practical to the big day out.

Its Australia day spendocrat!

There is nothing wrong with bring aussie flags to an event. For the life of me I cant understand who would be insulted or feel threatened by the sight of an Australian flag! And if someone is insulted what the hell are they doing in Australia in the first place!

I'm not insulted. Just get that thing out of my way, I'm trying to watch the band here. It's a music festival.

I just thought it was quite a laughable issue, politicians jumping on it straight away for point scoring.

Piece of cloth.

Regrettably, "rag waving" is an all too often abused tool of propaganda in todays "Whacky Races" & my personal view is that we need demonstrations of Global Unity, NOT nationalism.
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In defiance of their own law, those who 1st arrived here on "Invasion Day" refused a Treaty,
coz they didn't want 2 share Oz, &
declined a "Declaration of War,"
most likley coz slaughtering another bunch of locals wouldn't have proved popular with the good folk back home and instead,
came up with more pseudo science (which they still do today as in the U235EWM/Global Warming debates) & classified the *Original People* as animals, and thus part of the "Flora&Fauna Act."
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Subsequently, in designated lawless areas of Oz as it was in those days, they carried out wholesale slaughter, rape, pillage & enslavement with impunity.
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My view, cut that "Jack the Ripper" out of the corner of our flag & keep it off the media period. It is an insult to all that is "Good&Decent."

...Adam...

spendocrat,

True.

There should be no flags. and..

Australian cricketers/athletes should play naked (or preferably in Pakistan colors.)

Finally we should abolish Australia Day but celebrate Arabia Day.

Looking at spendocrat's attitude,we should all wave the white flag and have a no borders policy along with no values,no laws,no wealth and wallow in his nerva of left wing anarachy.

The Muslims politicised the flag when they tore it from my son's head in the form of a cap, two years ago and proceeded to bash him and his friends for being nothing other than being Australian.

We are at war with ourselves for the first time in over 200yrs.Looking at past track records in the Middle East,it will not end well.

At the last Big Day Out, someone was moving through the crowd with an Australian flag and demanding that people kiss it, as some sort of misguided sign of respect in the post-Cronulla days.

When one man refused, on the grounds that he did not want to be intimidated into displaying forced loyalty, he was rewarded with two punches to the head.

The flag should be flying high in BDO or similar events, but it must be a symbol of togetherness, inclusion and genuine spirits, rather than the Cronulla style exclusionism and ostracism hijacking the flag for their own agenda. Let's hope it is going to be a good and welcoming experience for everyone when they put away their prejudice, and things will get better from there.

I support a free flag for every household...

Why on earth would anybody want to take a national flag to a rock concert - except to provoke some kind of confrontation?

I heard a guy interviewed on Radio National this evening who was bashed by thugs with Aussie flags at last year's BDO.

I reckon that national flags (of any description) should be left at home, together with the boofheaded aggro that seems to go with them.

The current Australian flag's a crock anyway. We need to change it.

I thought that Tripple J was smarter in Journalism and more cool for youth culture. They are as flacid as a clutch of Liberace's.

Isn't this supposed to be the cutting edge of youth culture that questions everything? They pretend to be 0h-so-radical. There is nothing remotely radical about the Australia flag. Soon you will hear no rock-n-roll over the hearing aides. No room around the bear bellies. No view over the blue rinses, pearls, and plastic flags. This is so lame. Dame Edna would love this. Tripple J must surely be run by Sir Les Patterson by now.

They should have made it far more clear that taking flags to the BDO is legal, but it is really uncool, daggy, dorky, stupid, and just un-rock'n'roll.

Take the bloody flags there.

BTW It is against flag etiquette to drape the flag over your body, and it must never touch the ground, or be used in a ridiculous way. That rules out getting drunk and making a total dick out of yourself. You take the flag?

Do it properly and don't embarrass our country.

saintfletcher got it right - its a rock festival for gods sake. Historically, patriotism and (good) rock and roll don't go together at all. What happened to good old fashioned rebellion? Now its all:

"hooray for my country!" *tear falls down face*

Our youth have gone out of control and all patriotic and weird, we need to encourage them safely back to thinking for themselves, questioning authority, experimenting with mind altering substances, promiscuity and generally doing what kids are supposed to. They're supposed to be keeping the candle burning while the rest of us sink into the dumb acceptance of mediocrity and homogenised banality that is 'being grown up'. Its a scary age.

HOORAY..... at last we are seeing the evidence of flawed government policy, and the inevitability of JINGOISTIC KNEE JERK REACTIONS....

By this, I mean the thuggish lot who were trying to force people to kiss the flag. That..is the VERY thing I am working against. But its like 'anti semitism'.. it cannot exist apart from a prior 'semitism'... i.e. a perception that 'Jewish' interests are being advanced over other segments of the communities. Whether real or imagined, DIVERSITY creates this suspicion.

So, lack of Government initiative in demonstrating that we are a NATION, and in promoting unity and homogeneity absolutely results in the fringe/fanatical elements of the segment feeling alienated and losing identity coming up with outrageous ideas like "kiss the flag or we will punch the stuffing out of you".

I still remember morning Assemblies, were we sang the National Anthem. Every empire has had public and communal exercises of "identity". Good grief.. in Turkey its a crime to insult 'Turkishness'... Not a bad idea if it was based on a sound foundation. But unfortunately in Turkey it is based on denial of anything bad having ever occurred in Turkish history, in particular their genocide of the Armenian Christians.

So, the Flag kissing thugs should be quickly counselled and ejected or in reverse order, and the happy, peaceful, joyful celebrants of Australia's national symbol should be encouraged and applauded.

Of course, thanks to a lovely media beat up, now there'll be a million flag waving thugs out there with a point to prove.

It always seems to happen in NSW...what is it with sydneysiders and being way, way too australian?

Fortunately the minority dropkicks who came up with the stupid idea of banning Australian flags in Australia have given up on their totally stupid idea. They had no right to ban the flag in the first place, and the "ban" would certainly have encouraged more people to carry flags.

I don't own a flag myself, but the traitors/Australia haters who came up with the idea of trying to stop people carrying our national flag should be frog-marched to the nearest beach and be told to swim to some other country. They are a disgrace to Australia as is anyone who is uncomfortable with the flag of their own country.

We've seen "ethnic cleansing" in other countries. It's long past the time when we should have started cleaning out the Australia fifth columnists who so much hate and despise their country.

If Leigh had actually read the news story, he would have seen that none of the BDO organisers ever attempted to ban flags.

The BDO website has a list of recommendations to make your day the best it can be. It discourages things like jewellery, high heels etc. Practical suggestions. It also discourages flags for a couple of reasons - they were involved in some conflicts last year, and also simply because carrying a big flag around all day is a hassle and gets in other peoples way and generally is not sensible at all for a music festival.

The rest was a complete media beat up. But that doesn't matter - because flags and patriotism etc is a hot button topic, one that hot headed people such as Leigh here will pounce on with the tired, sad 'get out of the country if you dont like it' noise. Of course Leigh forgets that the organisers are completely within their own rights to set the terms and conditions of entry to the festival, and his own mantra could be just as convincingly spun in the exact opposite direction, eg: 'get out of our festival if you have such a problem with the rules'.

So thanks Leigh, for being the perfect example of what's wrong with this picture.

My fear is growing that this mindless anger we're witnessing will come to a head on the day. Let's hope it doesn't, and people simply enjoy the music (which, of course, is entirely the point - with international artists being the focus, and the show in fact not having anything to do with australia day), and not abuse the event (or individuals, like last year) for their own selfish purposes.

Music unites, not nationalism - let the music do its job.

Triplej have nothing to do with organising the BDO.

The organisers never "banned" the flag.

The media never let the truth get in the way of a chance to stir things up. Just like Cronulla, if they get the trouble they're trying to cause on Thursday, they'll get the stories they want.

Longer term, if flag abusing, Aussier than Aussie idiots keep up their yobbish behaviour they risk losing the event for themselves and everyone else.

Everybody loses for the sake of newspaper sales. Pathetic.

If you don't like our flag, go back to where you crawled out and see if the leaders there are indifferent to criticism of their symbols.
White people unite and save a White Australia!

I hope the flag banning is not something similar to Clover Moores attempt to ban Christmas decorations lest it give insult to Islamics. Are we afraid of the screaming rent- a-crowd culture seen after the Danish cartoons?

Boaz, here you have a direct response to your "ONE NATION,ONE RACE, ONE CULTURE", which is turning into "Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Führer" right in front of your eyes.

JSP1488 tells us:

>>If you don't like our flag, go back to where you crawled out and see if the leaders there are indifferent to criticism of their symbols.
White people unite and save a White Australia!<<

Subtle.

Note very carefully what got us to this point.

The press picks up an angle and screams "they're dissing our flag, they're dissing our flag." Truth - or at least, accuracy - has already gone out of the widow.

Other columnists put in their tuppence, until our sensitive Prime Minister leaps on the bandwagon, (without checking any facts, of course) and suddenly we have a classic "us and them" story to fire up the rednecks.

Arjay weighs in with:

"We are at war with ourselves for the first time in over 200yrs.Looking at past track records in the Middle East,it will not end well"

Now that's a considered analysis if you like.

Boaz contributes:

"lack of Government initiative in demonstrating that we are a NATION, and in promoting unity and homogeneity absolutely results in the fringe/fanatical elements of the segment feeling alienated and losing identity coming up with outrageous ideas like "kiss the flag or we will punch the stuffing out of you".

Lack of government initiative? Howard talks "One Austraya" at every opportunity.

And Leigh advocates, it would appear, mass murder:

"We've seen "ethnic cleansing" in other countries. It's long past the time when we should have started cleaning out the Australia fifth columnists who so much hate and despise their country."

But maybe that is what you have in mind for a "government initiative", eh Boaz?

I just came across this little piece and thouht I'd share it with you.

"Just on the flag issue, what happened to the old flag ettiquette? Rules like “The flag should not fall or lie on the ground or be used as a cover”? It seems that the new acceptable way of treating the nation’s symbol is to drape it over an aggressive bogan, soak it in beer, trample over it, probably get a bit of splashback on it in the portaloo, followed by the odd drop of blood from someone of “middle eastern appearance”. But hey, its Australian, and no one can do wrong with a piss (both types) soaked soiled flag wrapped around their red necks. Submoronic racist scum are the flag poles of century 21 it would seem. Do they get a Nelson bung of $10,000 if they hang around schools in their chic Hansonesque garb? You can get arrested for burning a flag, but not for making it stink of grog and bodily fluids. That’s respect."

Exactly.

Rache, what is your problem? Are you stating that I'm uneducated? Or are you being introspective?

In the military there are very strict rules that government the use of flags.

So to for governments.

I'm with Rache!

In the military there are very strict rules that govern the use of flags.

Other protocols include -

• Flying Alone
• With other National flags
• With State & House
• On Yardarm or Gaff
• In Processions
• At Half Mast
• On a Boat
• On a Coffin

If drunk, possessive bogons wearing to flag as a threatening symbol of white Australian supremacy is what those who are pro flag at the BDO are on about, they should at least be up front and say so.

Pericles,you had better get used to it.It is us and them.Very little in the Muslim philosophy appeals to me.The West and Muslims are worlds apart.This is a totalitarian facist belief system wrapped up in the guise of religion.I see no difference between this system, than that of the Nazis.

If you want to make peace with those who will destroy everything we fought for during WW2,then do so without without innuendo of the rest of us being ingnorant,alarmist or racist.

Yes Cronulla has brought out the White Supremistists who stupidly want to turn back the clock,but the people of Cronulla have been putting up with racial and physical abuse for decades from Muslim Gangs.Very few seem to mention the violent revenge attacks where Muslim Gangs bashed and knifed people.

Why do we not see violent Buddhist attacks from Vietnamese who suffered at the hands of Australians and Americans?

The answer is in the belief systems.One teaches forgiveness and being open minded,the other is the exact opposite.

Rache is right. It is a complimentary extension to my last post. There are rules to how you can carry a flag with respect. The military is very strict on this.

In a rock concert? Forget it. You are more likely to insult the diggers from the military than other minority groups. They know how the flag must be handled respectfully. The rules have not changed.

So just do to the BDO, rock and roll as teens having a great time in innocence, and put all this patriotic stuff behind you. It is not the time or the place.

Think with your heads, dance with your feet and not the other way around.

Above all, enjoy the music, and please buy the CDs and DVDs from the Aussie groups. Our Rock and Roll industry really appreciates people buying them legitimately.

Arjay seems to be mentioning muslims a hell of a lot, despite the obvious fact that this topic and thread is actually about the australian flag and the big day out - and thats it. I'm not sure what connection he's trying to draw, but one thing I can say is that I'm getting really sick of this constant fear-of-muslims and muslim-hate on practically every single thread on this forum. Where is this hate coming from? It's soooo tiring, every time I click on something else, it's:

"Make no mistake - they're against everything you stand for! You like puppies? They HATE puppies! Wearing comfortable shoes? They'll eat them right off your feet! Taxes? Bushfires? Drought? Interest rates? Aaaalllll muslim!" On and on and on and on...yet, I walk outside and what do I see? Nice bright blue sky, chirpy birds, happy people, wonderful trees and buildings, nothing being blown up - not a wide eyed terrorist in sight.

I'm getting mixed signals.

As usual, well said spendocrat.

There seems to be an awful lot of mindless hatred against Muslims being spewed out in this forum lately. It certainly seems that good old Aussie xenophobia has found a new focus of late, ably assisted by the tabloid media and politicians who seek to tap into our worst cultural elements in order to further their own agendas.

How is it possible to have reasoned debate with those whose minds and hearts are so utterly closed? While I'm no great fan of Islam (or any other religion, for that matter) it's pretty obvious to me that the increasing public vilification of Muslims can only lead to communal discord and violence.

What do the xenophobes want, exactly? For Islam to be banned? For the enforced repatriation of Australian residents and citizens who follow that faith, or are the progeny of those who do?

While I'm personally relatively immune to the expression of these kinds of odious sentiments by virtue of living well outside the urban areas where they take root, I fear for the kind of society that my children and grandchildren are going to inherit.

What kind of values are parents teaching their children these days, when young people from various ethnic and religious backgrounds are so violently intolerant of each other?

Cheers CJ, it's good to know there's a few reasonable people left around here. I wonder if there's a few of these hatemongers logging in under multiple names...or maybe that's wishful thinking.

One can only hope that it's merely a phase and indicator of this particular moment in the climate of our country...the worst scenerio one can imagine is that the intolerance only builds on both sides, leading to god knows what.

The cynic in me fears that 'logic and rational will prevail' is too idealistic a statement, even in this supposedly progressive day and age.

If the organisers of Big Day Out set a rule that there should be no flags, then that rule should be respected. It is absurd to wave flags around at any musical event anyway. That the organisers claim past events were marred by “aggressive” flag waving is a reflection of the kind of people who attend the event. It’s really a pretty logical cycle: a bunch of incompetent musicians (who ought to stick to their day jobs) => trashy music => bored like minded people with nothing better to do than booze, take drugs, make a lot of noise and mess. Each to his/her own.

CJ, sad but true is that fear and hate are very much a part of the human psyche. Go read the history books and see how much war and persecution has gone on in the past. The religious books back this up as well - look at the rot that goes on the old testament.

As for a fear of muslims, well I guess that stems from the fear of being the subject of violence. Coupled with the fact that few seem to have faith in the authorities to detect serious threats before they happen. I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned the two Bali bombings yet (or maybe I skimmed over that bit). "White" australia is under threat, although perhaps not nearly as much as some think. I dare say that this has added to the recent patriotic resurgence. That, and the fact we try far too much to emulate the US, with their rabid patriotism and self-interest. I'm not trying to say that anything mentioned excuses either proactive or relatitory behaviour, but that but acknowledging it we come to an understanding of the motivators, and as such can start to look at solutions.

Welcome to Australia.
Thanks to the insight of Pauline Hanson,who was the first public figure to wear the Australian Flag over the shoulder.
It is now standard fashion for all red blooded Aussies to wear on days out.
Pauline the first lady of Australian fashion and politics was instrimental in arousing the proud Australian.

PROCK< Hanson wore the flag over shoulder at the behest of a photo journalist. She did not do it of her own volition.

I believe many people were already proud to be Australian before she did this. Why would need the inarticulate Hanson to tell us to be proud?

Please explain?

Well again we have the selective logic of Spendocrat and cj morgan who do not want to acknowlege the real reason for the attempted banning of the National flag at the Big Day Out concert.It is for fear of the potential violent nature of some Middle Eastern Muslims who consider themselves to be apart and above our laws and values.

It is the same old story of submission.Get rid of Christian religious symbols at Christmas,don't have pork at McDonalds,no religious crosses, at our public schools, get products we all use labeled Halal,no national flags at selected venues on Australia Day,but Muslims have their own special prayer rooms paid for by the tax payer,are allowed to wear their religious dress at schools and try to impose their modes of conduct and beliefs on the rest of us.No other religion or belief system has these special these special privledges or power.

Spendocrat,you are almost as sly as that old snake Hilaly.Let's call a spade a shovel.

The Aussie flag will increasingly become a symbol of freedom and nationalism.

What threats are there to our society which might be driving such an attitude ?

Here is one from Sydney.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/sickening-gang-videos-removed/2007/01/24/1169518746379.html

Australia is "Under new (lebanese Muslim) management" ?

Here is another one (from England)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/09/25/do2502.xml

[When Abu Izzadeen, the firebrand Islamist militant, berated John Reid last week for "daring" to visit a Muslim area, the Home Secretary bridled, as did many others, at his suggestion that part of London was off limits for a British minister of the Crown. ]

I'll be honest, I think Blair should have taken this Izzadeen character out and had him executed for sedition. Why executed ? His call was seditious, serious and the likelihood of rehabilitation is zero.

If this is what radicals (true Muslims) will say when they are weak, imagine what they will say and do when they are strong ?

How will they be when the 40,000 person mosque is built ? Will the moderates or the radicals drive the agenda ? given that the clear inclination of the radicals (true Muslims) is to intimidate in the name of Allah those who oppose them. Why ? Simple:- Hadith bukhari volume 4, book 53, number 386 shows clearly and unambiguously, that the verse 'fight them till they worship Allah alone' (9.29) is interpreted by Mohammed and his followers in aggresive/offensive terms.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/053.sbt.html#004.053.386
a) Fight "them". (thats you and me )
b) Until....they worship Allah alone.

The only defense Australia will have to such insidious white anting of our social fabric is a healthy nationalism......the Flag and all it symbolizes.

But wait...there's more. FLAG.....

http://www.news.com.au/sundaytelegraph/story/0,,21105996-5001021,00.html

[The video Wogs All Ova Sydney features a disturbing rap song by an unknown artist talking about 'Leb soldiers taking over'.

The lyrics go on to say 'When I see an Aussie flag I spit', and warn Australians to 'keep outta Bankstown' as images of young thugs armed with baseball bats and guns overlay the music.]

The image in that story though, was from Williamstown Victoria not Sydney.

Does it remotely surprise anyone that there is an equal and opposite reaction (note..REACTION) to such attitudes among some enthusiastic Aussies ? Kiss the flag or we will beat you up is a bit over the top, but a simple encouraging plea for nationalistic loyalty is not.

All of this of course, reflects the lamentable lack of civic pride and cultural reality which is inculcated at the school and education level.

Why dont the organizers request that everybody bring an Australian flag to the event and wave it. Then all the ethnic groups there will be waving their countries flag and there will be no fights.

If some ehtnic groups there don't want to fly their countries flag then could they please explain why. They are Australian aren't they?

My last comment got me to thinking maybe its time for a new Australian Flag. It is probably the British aspects of the flag that antagonise some groups.
Maybe we could have another national design competition as we did once before and chose something more Australian in design and less British.

The flag of Australia should be the one raised at the Eureka Stockade as a symbol of Australian freedom - the Southern Cross.

Having read this thread with some interest, let me throw in my tuppence worth.
Respect for the Flag started going downhill when the over expensive Canadian stainless steel pole went up in Canberra, and it became necessary to let the flag fly at night (in flag ettiquette a sign of distress) because of the expense/difficulty of taking the oversized symbol down and up each day.

NSW followed with the 'pole-on-on-island' in Darling Hbr.

So no wonder it gets used as a sunshade/blanket and walked on etc.

What about the Aussie Flag Beach Towels? Now there's Patriotism.

Arjay: again, it is (was, now) the Big Day Out, not an Australia Day event. Has a lot more to do with countries that aren't this one, actually, since the focus is international musical acts. Nothing about the big day out has anything to do with this countries pride or identity or culture. Its a culture of music, and neither opposes nor supports any current or historical national issue. It acts independently from every single issue you bring up in your posts.

Again: the big day out. Not an Australia Day celebration. No one has the right to tell an organiser how to run their festival. It's their festival. Disagree with it all you want, but it aint your festival.

More than any of that, it had absolutely nothing to do with anything Islam. You injected this particular religion into this conversation, and failed to come up with a single rational reason why it belongs here any more than say, Buddhism or Catholicism.

And of course religious crosses should be kept out of public schools, duh. Again I ask, what makes you think this is related?

Oh, and they didnt discourage the flag for fear of 'potential violent nature of muslims', what garbage. The incidences last year were actually the *realised* potential violent nature of white australians.

'kiss the flag!'
'no.'
*pow*

Wow, its almost like all humans are potentially violent! Guess we're all equal after all.

I for one am glad to see young Aussies taking to our beautiful flag. Go for it kids.
Three decades of a certain class of trash rubbishing our nation and everything and every one in it went on too long,they had even the media on their side.
We still have the same type still rubbishing our flag.
Well the young people have accepted it with gusto and just as Anzac day has had a resurgence, so will our Australian flag flutter on for ever.
No one is listening to the Aussie haters,perhaps they could just disappear up their own fundamentals.

Spendocrat,henceforth you shall be known as Spindocrat.You have failed to confront the issue.The attempted banning of the flag was designed to appease a group that has a great potential for violence because they hate our culture.Can we spell it out any clearer?

Children at our Public schools were being banned from wearing crosses around their necks ,yet Muslims were allowed to wear their hibjab?I'm not religious,yet I see both the anomoly and the cancer of Muslim facism slowly enveloping our society because too many like yourself,live in denial,and are too quick to appease.

You can spell it out as clear as you want, it doesn't make you right. The flags were discouraged, not banned, and they were discouraged because of the antisocial behaviour of aggressively patriotic white male Australians at the previous Sydney's big day out. Those are the facts of the discussion, and your weasel attempt to work your anti-muslim sentiment into the conversation fools no one bar those who already share your prejudiced view.

Spendocrat, what are you?

a) a muslim?
b) a lefty pinko?
c) an out and out commie? or
d) a "misguided yoof"?

Your anti-Western, anti-Australian, Anti-White tirades could be explained by any of the above. If you don't like it here, go! I suppose that you hate hetero-sexuals too.

a) No, I'm an athiest. I believe that mainstream religion is outdated and no longer relevant. I accept, however, that this is only my point of view, and while I will express it as much as I want, it is only my perception.
b) My position on most, but not all, issues could be considered aligned with the 'left'. I dislike the distinction though, because I don't think any issue can be boiled down to left or right, right or wrong, black or white. I even disagree with the idea of greys, because this would imply that there is only one straight line with two extremes, which is still far too simplistic. As for 'pinko', I would say no, I'm quite tanned.
c) Although I find some of the ideals of communism appealing, I'm not a communist. Social libertarian would be closer I guess, but if a label is applied to me because of my opinion based on my perception, so be it, but it's not something I pay any attention to.
d) I don't think it's possible for anyone to objectively answer if they are misguided or not, because knowledge of misguidance would automatically eliminate the misguidance in the first place. And I have no idea what a 'yoof' is, but it sounds like a pissweak insult that would come from someone who ran out of things to ask before they got to 'd)'.

Anti-Western? Anti-Australian? Anti-White?

No. I am, however, entirely indifferent to these distinctions, save for geographical purposes. My philosophy is more universal, due to the obvious fact we live on a spherical planet, and that all humans are essentially the same.

I don't want to go, this is my home and I love it here. It's that very love for my surroundings that allow me to see the flaws. And I like heterosexuals, to the point where I have sex with some of them.

I hope that's been of some help to you, if there's any more questions you'd like me to answer, just let me know. Maybe you could ask something less dull?

Spendocrat, "Yoof" wasn't a piss-weak insult, I just thought that that was the type of language that you might use. Ok, I was wrong. As you have sex with heteros, are they male or female (or either)? I don't believe that you don't know what a "pinko" is. Maybe you were trying to be facetious.

Spendocrat, "Yoof" wasn't a piss-weak insult, I just thought that that was the type of language that you might use. Ok, I was wrong. As you have sex with heteros, are they male or female (or either)?

Disappointing followup question, but fine. I am a heterosexual male who has sex with heterosexual (and sometimes bisexual) females. And yes, facetious would be fairly accurate. What were you trying to be? Interesting?

I'm rather amused by the lack of amusement displayed by many posters. What seemed to me to be a reasonably piss-taking effort at giving deserved scorn to yobbos who drape themselves in the flag is being treated as a serious issue.

If pinko means having a consistently facetious view of the world, then fine. I'll call myself a pinko.

(I'm aware that pinko was a derogatory term for communist sympathisers, and that I am not... normally I wouldn't have to explain that, but here it seems necessary).

A bunch of drunken fools draped themselves in the flag, and thus sullied it. Let us criticise them through humour.

And yes, we can say the flag looks dumb when worn like a cape.
So does a tarp, but I happen to believe tarps are very useful devices for keeping out rain.

They still look dumb when worn like a cape.

And now to the serious response:

To JSP.... judging by your posts I can only assume you're a caricature of the white australia bigots, and don't actually believe the earlier "unite for a white austalia" drivel. Very subtlely done, I commend you.

To Arjay - okay, some of the violence was due to friction with lebanese muslims, and this is a problem. Fair enough.
On the other hand... were the white, beer swilling yobbos who were hitting people just expressing themselves?

Take a chill pill people. Calm down and enjoy yourselves. We live in the lucky country, and I thought we were known for being laid back and laconic.

Spendocrat

I see that your original statement that you have sex with heterosexuals has been amended to also having sex with bisexuals. I can't wait for your next amendment.
As for you asking if I was trying to be interesting, I don't know if that would apply, as my statements seem to be over your head.
It's funny how you are on your high horse, considering that you started this thread with snippets like " Invasion Day's just around the corner..." and comparing flags with capes. Ehh? Did you expect agreement?
I should have asked if you're an Abo, as Invasion Day is one of their inventions. You also invented the stick, didn't you?

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Heterosexual or bisexual women have the same anatomy. Sex with a woman who is bisexual doesn't make you gay by some weird form of partner osmosis... hell, even if that were the case, then by that very osmosis, you're sleeping with girls who dig girls.
That's gotta be good somehow right?

Yes, I'm operating on some kind of warped logic. But no more warped than the apologists who jump out to defend violent drunken cape-wearing fools.

Funny that. Those people defending them are so quick to point the finger at those who they call muslim apologists.

Makes it all seem less about the real issue, and more about reinforcing existing prejudices.

It all comes down to a basic fact of life. If a White offends a non-White, it is classed as racism. If a non-White offends a White, no-one cares, the police don't see it as race-related and the media see it as "assertiveness".

So why is it that no-one seems to accept a backlash? If there is a perceived acceptance of "gay pride" and "black pride", how can anyone object to "White Pride"?

Hilarious. This guy can't *not* have the last word. He's like a fly that enjoys being swatted.

JSP: I never made any amendments. Refer back to my earlier posts and you'll see it was in fact, additional information. It retracts nothing I said before.

And you guessed wrong again. I am not, an 'Abo', as you so charmingly phrased. I am a white male who instead of focusing on how I differ from others, instead chooses to learn and understand how we're all essentially the same. Your perceptions are born from fear, and mine are from love. I don't blame you, fear is very powerful - bred into our genes because it provided an advantage for survival back in hunter gatherer days. But if you ever choose to jump the fence, you always get a warm welcome on the side of love. We'll party - and trust me, that's one thing I know how to do well.

And just to clarify - I'm talking to you like a child because you're talking like one. And I'm much, much smarter than you are.

It's fine to be proud of who you are. You may have noticed though, that the term 'white pride' carries fairly negative connotations, as it historically (and currently) tends to be associated with nazi's, neo-nazi's and the KKK. Juxtapose this with 'gay pride', which was born from a culture of being persecuted, rather than being a persecutor, and maybe you'll start to understand why the two can't really be compared. I suggest just being proud of yourself, instead of the skin you happened to be born with.

Anything else? I can keep answering stupid questions as long as you keep asking them.

...unless you were putting on an act the whole time, which, given how ludicrous your posts are, I probably should have considered. If that's the case, you got me good...

Poor, delusional Spendocrat. You are an expert of missing the point completely. Or maybe it's my child-like intellect against you who are so much smarter than I am that causes my questions to seem stupid to you. Did you make your previous statements to try and appear "interesting"?
I, too, am capable of love. I love my family, my friends and my Race. I suppose that you will have some smart-arsed comment to make about that.

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I'm glad you like your race. I like humans too. I also like sharks, do you like sharks? Sharks are winners, because they don't look back, because they don't have necks! Sharks.

JSP1488: "I love my family, my friends and my Race"

Gawd. Do you wear a pointy hat too?

JSP1488,

I think your posts shatter the myth of white supremacy once and for all.

Guess I was wrong - you are full of love after all...

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JSP1488, as it seems important to you my skin tones are somewhat pale and I'm rather proud of many of the achievements of my racial group.

I think that some racism and sexism are ignored when they should be treated as racism or sexism. Assuming that they are OK because the person exhibiting those traits feels oppressed ignores the fact that the person they mistreat may not be their oppressor.

Also for the record I've recommended one of your recent posts for deletion. Just as I'm proud of many of the achievements of my racial group I'm shamed by other aspects of it. Your post makes the list.

If an individuals actions and choices can be regarded as treason against their race then your promotion of racial violence makes the list.

You could learn a great deal from CJ Morgan about being a decent human being. He puts great effort into trying to understand other viewpoints and present his case in an clear and polite manner.

I've disagreed with Rainer from time to time but found his insights very useful to help me better understand some issues. He has despite those disagreements dealt with me with courtesy and respect. His contributions to these forums are very valuable. Again someone you could learn a lot from but I doubt that you will make the effort.

R0bert

Thanks r0bert, now my post makes no sense!

spendocrat, sorry about that. Sometimes I'd like to see some of those posts kept up so others can see just how low it gets but I'd hate to see the site being portrayed in the media based on stuff like that being left around.

For others who suspect spendocrat of babbling his post was a witty response to an extremely ugly post (trust me on this).

R0bert

Heh, thanks R0bert, I appreciate the defence of my posts, but I wouldnt rule out babbbling entirely. Sometimes I write with the pure intention of entertaining myself, and myself alone....

Wait, I wrote that so wrong. I just meant that babbling doesnt seem so out of place for me...eh, nevermind. Its been a long day.

Thanks R0bert - I also recognise in you someone who attempts to address difficult issues reasonably in this forum. I don't always agree 100% with you, but I've never seen you express yourself here other than politely and considerately.

Unsurprisingly, I agree with you on this issue. It seems to me that certain posters here are simply utilising this forum as an opportunity to express hateful ideas that would quite rightly be unacceptable in actual civilised company.

Cheers mate - keep it up :)

Hello folks, I’m back after a week’s ban thanks to RObert’s complaint. It’s heart-warming that when a reactive comment is made to some childish ideas, the solution is to have the comment removed. How left-wing. There doesn’t seem to have been much activity while I was away. You must all have been missing me. Maybe you’re all fed up. If so, this could be the last post (bugles optional).

So RObert, while you object to my comments as you seem to think I am promoting racial violence (is that like what Mugabe does?), you state that CJ Morgan “puts great effort into trying to understand other viewpoints and present his case in an (sic) clear and polite manner”. Does that include his gem, “Gawd. Do you wear a pointy hat too?” Also, “Being a decent human being” involves more than making warm and fuzzy PC comments.

As for Rainier being “someone you could learn a lot from”, does that include his command of the English language as demonstrated in his post, “If drunk, possessive bogons wearing to flag as a threatening symbol of white Australian supremacy is what those who are pro flag at the BDO are on about, they should at least be up front and say so.”? What was that all about? Is English his/her first language?

You stated twice your pride in the achievements of your racial group (which you insinuate to be White) yet you fail to pick up the anti-White leftist comments of some posts. The term “Invasion Day” is anti-White and an insult to all the pioneers and colonists who built this country from nothing.

My charges of racial treachery stand. Signing off until my next ban expires if one of you feels that my post is too upsetting and call for a deletion.

Face reality.

hehe

Gawd.

Hi CJ, you're quite religious, going by your written utterances.