rechtub I too do not think you know just what you are saying.
The mud you claim we throw at you is a self harm thing, you have done it your self in just about every thread you post in.
If we,at a time both sides say we are near full employment,are heading for a recession I do not think $26 did it.
And is not the reason for shops doing it hard rents costs and tax are nothing if people cannot buy.
Room always exists for welfare and workplace reform, but not introducing starvation as a way of population control or tax savings.
In truth your views as stated here are gems for my mob, frightens children that stuff.

Well, I think it's run its course so I would like to make this simple statement.

A rise, for the sake of a rise could well be the rise that breaks the camels back, esspecially in considering we have the increase for super around the corner as well.

And remember, every business expense comes from gross profits and, if gross profits don't go up, then this expense has to come from 'net profits', or, the bosses pocket.

Now remember, we in small business are 'risk takers', often taking huge risks. So, if the risks become to high, then we may well stop taking that risk.

Then what!

I can not let the statement above go unchallenged.
The rise was never for the sake of a rise.
It was for low income earners and some who are not on an EBA.
And to compensate for not getting a rise last year due to the GFC.
Small business men are not forced to Gamble, rechtub ,no doubt worked hard for it but tells us of wealth he has due to investments.
If rechtub no longer gambles his shops will find an owner, people eat.
Those who work , who only have their time and efforts to sell, need to eat.
That cash is spent not hoarded and it in its self is giving returns to small business.
To ignore this, hoping richer people will buy the cheaper cuts ,is unfortunate.
Health and wellbeing of the consumer, ability to consume is a platform of commerce.
The big bad lower income earner is no enemy of small business I am content to restate my view rechtub you have little understanding of the real world.

Belly, I have a very good understanding of the 'real world' as you put it.

I also fully understand that low income earners are good customers as they, unlike high income earners, tend to spend every cent every week just to live.

But! What the government should be doing is supporting low income earners so they can continue to be customers of all businesses, while at the same time removing the financial burden from employers so they can continue to employ and make profits for themselves. Remember, many small business owners are also very low income earners and simply can't afford higher wages. Jobs are at risk as a result.

Now we can achieve this by simply STOPPING THE WASTE. Billions wasted, more billions required to fix the stuff-ups.

Prior to the labor government everyone had a job (who wanted one) and more importantly, they felt secure. Now they don't.

The main reason they don't is due to poor business performance.

Now if we cannel this waste back into stimulating peoples spending (on food) not cigs, grog or gambling, everyone will be happy.

This can be achieved with a special 'debit card' for 'essensials only' spending.

There is no denying the cost of living has increased. Labors answer is to burdon small business and the miners. Why! Because they (labor), through thier gross incompitence, have caused this mess and now want someone else to pay for it!

I say again, you (governments) can't make gross stuff-ups and expect someone else to pay for it,(a rise for the sake of a rise, a mining tax) as ultimately, everyone will loose.

I know a guy with three restuarants and 54 staff.

The change to W/end pay rates and the recent rise takes $180,000 per year from his back pocket, or, 5 staff. He chose, 5 staff!

Not sure if they have found another job yet.

It's simply a 'no brainer'.

Well done madam PM!