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Are Immigrants Racist?

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Jim, my comment was tongue in cheek, and every day is invasion day for me. But feel free to wear your ribbons and t-shirts.
Posted by Rainier, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:46:03 AM
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"Nationhood is about perceptions-if Aboriginal Australians consider themselves to have been singled out as a group for various forms of racist abuse over 200 years and now want to gather under their Nation's flag to celebrate their uniqueness and give each other strength for the inevitable" battles" with those that resent their existence then fair enough. They are a Nation as far as I am concerned. Howard's insidious ,wanton destruction of ATSIC proves my point." - Kj.

In a struggle I would not deny the aboriginal community the "tool" or calling themselves a "nation" and a "flag". Both have powerful symbolise to a cause, I support.

Just the same I see mutualism, rather kinskip (many aboriginals) or racist (many Anglos)structures, the solution.

The facts are:

1. The Australian continent was invaded by England. Herein, 300,000 to 1 million people were conquered in the historical sense of the word.

PROBLEMS: THE CONQUEST IS A "REALITY" AND WAS "OVERWHELMING". THE DREAMTIMES AND SOCIAL ORGANISATION OF MANY CLANS WERE SHATTERED.

2. In word "race" original had social connotations. Many of the immigrants from the UK were from low social classes and embittered. In the mid-1800s, the ideas of superior "ethnic" races arose under colonisation. This tended to "buff-up" the "white" colonisalists. The word race changed its meaning to its current day understanding. It was a bit like the shop steward winning a big lottery and turning it the meanest capitalist. Instead of being underdogs to the aristocracy, we can have domain over individuals less developed technologically [forget ideologically or socially]. WE HAVE DOMINION.

PROBLEM: A SENSE OF SUPERIORITY

3. The aborigines, I posit, WERE/ARE kinship clans. Characterically, there are concentric circles moving away from a familial centre. Family first, dialect group second, (aboriginal) trade partners (artifacts, songs, rites). Groups are inclusive. Clan links exist today between Redfern and Wagga Wagga, I have heard.

PROBLEM: INCLUSIVENESS.

[Can't discuss possible solution. Word limit. In China. Hard to connect, since Taiwan undersea earthquake.]
Posted by Oliver, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:22:19 PM
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When it comes to Racism the attitudes of Islam toward non-muslims is very clear and those who try to tell you that Islam is a tolerant religion are either decieving you or are decieved themsleves.

All Muslim writtings send a clear undeniable message. The aim of Islam is to take over the would. We non-muslims have three options.

1. Fight and be killed
2. Convert to Islam
3. Surrender and live in servitude to Islam.

When muslims say Islam is a religion of peace they are refering to points 2 and 3 above. To live in peace under Islam is to live in servitude or convert.

I am more than happy for it to be proven that this is not the case. However, the more I study Islam the more I come to realise that those so called "radical extremist muslims" are acctually a refection of the true islam.

Here’s how the Ayatollah Khomeini put it:
“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.”
Posted by proverbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:40:09 PM
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Amel, I disagree. Some DO expect racism, so they are wont to find it where it doesnt exist, and react accordingly. Same way as women who go out expecting to find discrimination against them, will find it for sure, whether true or construed that way in their minds.

Please, what are these countries that have had no problems with immigration. Whilst the media are notorious for choosing a bad news story over a good news story, I cant bring to mind any success stories.
Posted by Country Gal, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:49:03 PM
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Country gal, the reason why some immigrants expect racism is because of what happened before.I think people become aware of things but still try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Canada, New Zealand ,Sweden,Namibia, The UK...

I never said these countries have no problems with immigration. Its probably not a huge problem like it is in other places.
Posted by Amel, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:42:14 PM
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Again, the grudges and hatred of a few have sabotaged yet another thread. The constant references to indigenous, historical events has indeed become tedious. Rainier et al insists on dragging up past indigenous injustices though fails to address the current injustices perpetrated on non-indigenous citizens.

Since this thread is now clearly on Aboriginal issues, I shall relay my "racist" views by advising of the criminal events reported by the media last week, which occurred in my community and by Ranier's own people.

"Community safety groups will meet this week to discuss reports of chronic juvenile delinquency, assaults and vandalism."

These indigenous youth are described by bleeding hearts as "disadvantaged", "underprivileged", "bored teenagers" though these delinquents receive precisely the same amount of taxpayer benefits from Centrelink as non-indigenous people (not a penny more or a penny less) and are provided with taxpayers' housing like all others and have access to the same level of education. Yet they congregate in ditches awaiting the next victim and their criminal activities far exceeds those of non-indigenous youth in my district.

There are aged and ill pensioners living in the same area, too frightened to leave their homes.

"When we have a member of the local police force advising us not to walk down a city street between certain hours because of a potential risk, we have a serious law and order problem indeed.

"To that end, if the destructive, dangerous minority cannot exist in society in a peaceful, lawful manner, they should be removed from society; until such time they can behave in a manner acceptable to the majority."

My community (including decent indigenous members) have grown tired of endeavouring to be "politically correct."

Recently an Aboriginal female was prosecuted for racially villifying a white person - just like Ranier does!

Ranier et al need to cease their constant inane intellectual sophistry on historical events and address the issue of unlawfulness and the endemic racist attitude by the youth to whom I refer since their victims are always, selectively white!
Posted by dickie, Wednesday, 24 January 2007 3:08:45 PM
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