Sorry foxy you are forever my Friend and respected even understood, but I disagree.
People I like and admire like CJ Morgan will be confronted but it is the way I see it.
I HATE the life many refugees run from.
I hate the fact we every western country, can take only so many, that if we open our doors we will be flooded.
Foxy the answer lays not in our need to house the world.
I hate but understand more Australian voters will change there votes to get less refuges, unhappy with that.
IT IS true, an election has been lost/won on the issue.
Like the Aboriginal debates we so often have reality shouts at me we need solutions must work for them.
Am I wrong to remind Greens their ideas and thoughts are never shared by majority's,never will be, that every day Australians want to help but increasingly regard our culture as under threat, our right to be us as just that.
Must we think always in terms of others suffering we can enforce, if we do it for humanity not oil a better life at home.
I willingly would contribute to more tax's, but not to feed criminals in office in slave nations.
If we insist boat people become the focus of this thread then yes stop them, all of them, bring only those in camps here.

Posted by Belly, Sunday, 27 June 2010 6:36:24 AM
" ... Am I wrong to remind Greens their ideas and thoughts are never shared by majority's,never will be ... "

Well, let's hope you are right *Belly* coz if the prevailing temperature goes up and you all start sweltering in fear of an ever more regular "lick of the flame" then I imagine the majority will soon enough come round to embracing something of some of the current principals expressed by the Greens, irrespective of whether the corrective measures are carried out by them or not.

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Whilst I am not a member of any political party, I express pro Green sentiment for 2 principal reasons.

1. Unlike most politicians, *GreenBrowny* appears to be an Honourable and decent Human Being

&

2. From a scientific perspective, green house pollution must be halted.

Dream on Greens are my second parking bay on election day.
It is not policy's on environment that concern me.
It is the package as a whole they push.
I have always been aware it is the home of middle income people who inhabit a different world than me.
And an ABC radio interview with former QLD senator John Black, unloved but not a fool, showed me more.
Most Greens are well off, most send their kids to private schools, most fail to understand just what the impact of some policy's are.
We, could have an ETS now, two conservatives crossed the floor post Turnbull.
Bob Brown, yesterdays minnow, could have given his votes, he put environment second.
On this I stand firmly, greens are forever and ever a minority.
BUT in NSW no option exists, a greens upper house is the only out come that will serve Labor voters migrating from a party that long ago left them.
Note that woman Noreen what ever from Wollongong dragging my party's name in the mud.
For those I upset with my frankness party first always, defeat best serves us in NSW.

Its always easy to cherrypick facts and observations to support an existing belief, for example the homogeneity superimposed on immigration to this country. You will always see "The last decade of migration", "The last 50 years of migration", or "Immigration patterns since the second world war" etc. etc.
In reality, this country is defined by immigration patterns of the last 222 or so years (leaving out the Dutch, Maccasans, Islanders, and PNG folk coming and going).

Some migration has been good and some has been bad, opinions vary wildly according to ones background. As our society becomes more and more PC and highly strung about appearing to embrace complete and unquestioned acceptance of foreign folks, the assumption is automatically that we are giving them an unfair hard time for coming here without asking first. Probably we are in some cases, but if you're coming from some hell where the Taliban is tearing out your fingernails or something then a few years at Villawood or Christmas island sounds ok.

Comparing post-war immigration to today's is not really possible, as social expectations were completely different. People came to work and improve their lives, and were mostly from a similar European background. This surely had it's bad points as well, but cannot be compared to today's immigration policies as bad points are identified retroactively (by any government).

Dreamon, for me, it's simply a matter that the big two parties keep:
-giving themselves inappropriate payrises
-selling public assets to corrupt companies whom they mysteriously join post-politics
-take bribes
-stands behind property developers and stomps on the people that try to resist
-Pander to religious fundamentalists
-Deliberately sabotage infrastructure to force people to use privately owned premium-PRICE alternatives
-Put public interest behind self interest or (some) business interest
-Pander to religious extremists
-Shut down important areas in the city for silly private functions that are of no benefit to many Sydney siders at all, but a huge detriment upon easily millions.
-Willing to turn into a police state to protect said functions
With only ONE party opposing ALL this.
I don't agree with the Greens migration and multicultural/law policies one bit, but to me the above issue is simply much more dire and more important to my vote.

It is much cheaper and quicker to come to Australia by plane - of course you have to be a legal entrant to pass through the airport doors. Boat people are illegal entrants who just try to make it to shore. Hence the amount of expense to intercept and in processing them.
__________________________

If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labour.

If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.

If you cross the Afgan border illegally you get shot.

If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you wil be jailed.

If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may not be heard from again.

If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will considered a spy and your fate will be sealed.

If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be imprisoned in a political prison till you rot.

IF YOU CROSS THE AUSTRALIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET:
* A JOB,
* AN INTERPRETER,
* FREE LEGAL AID,
* A DRIVERS LICENCE,
* A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER,
* WELFARE,
* CREDIT CARDS,
* FREE EDUCATION,
* FREE HEALTH CARE,
* DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN = YOUR LANGUAGE
* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY'S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DO NOT GET ENOUGH RESPECT.
Compare:
The Australian Federal Government provides the following financial assistance:

WEEKLY BENEFIT AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER $253.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN AUSTRALIA $472.50


WEEKLY SPOUSE ALLOWANCE - AGED PENSIONER $56.00

WEEKLY SPOUSE ALLOWANCE - REFUGEES $472.50


Additional
WEEKLY HARDSHIP ALLOWANCE - AGED PENSIONER 0.00

WEEKLY HARDSHIP ALLOWANCE - REFUGEES $145.00


TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT - AGED PENSIONER $16,068.00

TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT - REFUGEES $56,680.00


Who foots the Bill - we do.