Grateful wrote:

"I have always ascribed to the criteria of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

But you haven't provided any evidence that the compendium of seventh century claptrap you call the koran is what Muslims claim it to be.

Not only have you not proved it "beyond a reasonable doubt", you haven't even proved it on the basis of the preponderance of evidence.

I, on the contrary, can say that at very least the creator of the universe would have got the fact about mammalian reproduction and geology right if he had caused an "angel" to transmit his "recitation" verbatim to the (probably non-existent) Muhammad.

I challenge you in the same way I challenge all Muslims. Offer me some EVIDENCE of you claims. Does not have to be proof beyond reasonable doubt. Just prove it on the basis of the preponderance of evidence.

And explain why the creator got the facts about mammalian reproduction and geology wrong.

I find it terribly frustrating debating with Muslims who keep reciting koranic poppycock without ever producing a scintilla of EVIDENCE!

At least Christians are prepared to acknowledge they believe on faith. They don't try to bamboozle me with pseudo-science.

>> At least Christians are prepared to acknowledge they believe on faith. They don't try to bamboozle me with pseudo-science. <<

Au contraire.

Immaculate conception? The resurrection? Without either there is no Christianity.

Intelligent Design - the biggest con of religious adherents ever.

LOL
I admire your persistence Steven, but he can’t hear you. He’s sleep walking just like this guy on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQRiGSy1o4

He appears to be conscious as he goes through his routine –but he can’t hear or see you.

And take heed of the voice over : “You can never wake up someone who’s been sleep walking, they’ll have a heart attack or freak out”

I suspect that’s what happen to Osama –he was in this nice comforting fifth century dream. Then dastardly globalisation and modernism woke him, and he freaked out and morphed in a fundaMENTALIST”

“let him sleep. For in dreams, we enter a world that's entirely our own.” Dumbledore (Harry Potter)

Severin,
Speak for yourself, that you prefer to be identified as neither intelligent or designed to operate with cordination as a unit maybe your preference. That you wish to be identified as a blob of incoherent protein may be your desire but it is not mine. My body and its function is merely a vehicle wherby my real life is manifest.

Thank you Philo for demonstrating just how Christians use pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

Steven - pseudo-science is not the exclusive preserve of Islam.

Could not have invented Philo... the gift that keeps on giving.

OK Fair comment Severin. Though I have to say that none of the Christians I know personally believe in intelligent design or creationism.

But now I have a confession:

READING THE KORAN MADE ME BELIEVE IN GOD

Yep, really.

It happened like this. I had my first serious encounter with Islam on Tuesday, 28 September 1965 at 5pm. How this came to be is another story. Suffice to say I bought a koran and studied it. I spent SIX MONTHS on it. And I realised here was PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS.

Absolute, definite, PROOF.

Proof beyond all reasonable doubt.

I should explain that at the time I was a student majoring in physics. What I realised was this:

Only a supernatural being could cause to come into being a species that is SIMULTANEOUSLY:

--intelligent enough to come up with general relativity and quantum mechanics; and

--CRAZY enough to believe that the koran could be a VERBATIM message from the creator of the universe.

I realised that God exists and he is the DIVINE COMEDIAN.

God is not the God of the bible or the koran. He is the DIVINE COMEDIAN.

Let us all pay homage to the DIVINE COMEDIAN by appreciating the joke he has perpetrated. Grateful, you are a true and faithful servant of the DIVINE COMEDIAN.