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What does the future hold for our grandchildren?
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Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 22 May 2010 4:45:41 PM
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OOOH MY LOOOORRRRD.. Foxy has seen the light :)
"With uncontrolled migration we're going to be facing the same problems as Asia, South American and Africa." (FOXY) blow me down with a wet lettuce leaf. Foxy..I didn't know you were the BNP's newest member ? :) http://www.bnp.org.uk/ Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Saturday, 22 May 2010 4:48:55 PM
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No one has mentioned the real problem.
We can not expect to continue to have a higher standard of living than those who make the stuff we buy, & use. That used to be Japan, & then Taiwan. Both of these countries now have a similar, or higher standard of living than we do. They along with Singapore now have higher pay, & probably better education than we do. We had better start hoping that the standard of living does a very quick rise in China, & later India. Sooner or later we are going to have to match their productivity. If they remain poor, we are bound to follow them down the low income path. The folk of Europe are just ahead of us on this slippery dip of wealth due to our business practices, & our greed. We, the west, have now transeferred most of our technology to the third world, & with that kick start, they are now often suppasing us. What do we have left to earn us our high standard of living? For most of Europe it's not a single damn thing, & we're not far behind. It may not be a pleasant idea, but that's our kids future, unless we lift our game, the minerals won't last for ever. With a dill in the lodge, we may all ready have stuffed our last advantage. It may come quicker than I think. Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 22 May 2010 5:25:09 PM
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Foxy,
There will be problems in Asia, but there will be nothing we can do for them. We will not have the resources for foreign aid and we will be flat out supporting our own population. Migration will cease. We will not have the excess energy to build new houses for a high rate of migration. I venture to say that immigration will be controlled at the point of a gun. From about now unemployment will rise and unemployment benifits will decrease. Our population will not increase after the decent starts. At present we import a considerable amount of food. I don't know the percentage. We will be flat out allocating fuel for agriculture. We will not waste energy pumping water inland, water is heavy and it takes a lot of electricity to get water over mountain ranges. For an economy to grow it needs to invest. Up till now we have done this by borrowing money, using that money to buy equipment, housing etc etc then with the new income from that investment repay the loan plus the interest. However to do that extra energy is used. When we do not have that extra energy we cannot repay the loan and interest. That is what has now happened in the world economy. It is why so many countries cannot repay their loans and honour their national bonds. We are on the verge of being in that same situation. Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 22 May 2010 6:21:05 PM
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Dear AG,
I could be flippant and say: "Yes, I have seen the light - and it's shining through the hole in your head!" But instead, I'll be polite and keeping a perfectly serious face, say: "What a charmer you are!" Dear Bazz, We don't need electricity to pump water over mountain ranges. We can use wind mills to push the water uphill and gravity takes it down the other side. We import food to balance our International trade. If we want other countries to buy our produce, we have to buy theirs. We export far more than we buy. Australia is self-sufficient in its food production. Unemployment will rise if the country is over- populated. There is only so much that we can sell ourselves and to maintain a larger population our exports would have to increase. As for our deficit. The Government tells us that it will be repaid within 3 years. That may or may not be true as nobody can predict global conditions. (especially if the China bubble bursts). However, we need a bit more faith. I'm not as glum about things. We've survived all sorts of things in the past and I trust we'll do so again. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 May 2010 7:04:19 PM
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Dear Foxy,
The paradyne you and I grew up with was the Judeao Christian world view where the individual had rights balanced by responcibilities as the boundries for normal acceptable behaviour eg {private property}. In the 60's We changed to the Humanist world view with rights becoming colective without individual responsibility and no morals as a God concience shut out unexceptible behaviour eg [ the 10 commandments ] and humanists don;t like to feel guilty for their soulish carnal nature. As in Moses day it took 400 years of lost freedom for the decendants of Abraham to cry out to the God of Abraham for help. As the present generation looses all knowledge of the Judeo Christian world view and have a new set of norms or boundries where the state makes the rules freedoms become a thing of the past for the good of society colective. Jesus taught salvation as an individual issue not colective eg {God doesn't have Grandsons, colective, only sons and daughters, individual responcibility. We have thrown the baby out with the bath water as we do not want to take personal responsibility for our actions. Case in point about 30 years ago the ABC held a phone poll on abortion and I asked my little children what they thought and their answer was simple " you shouldn't kill babies". Today we know it is no longer black and white but what ever suits you as our boundries have been broken eg illegal immigration. Socialism is a failure whether it is right wing Nazis or left wing Communism or Green for social justice saving the planet but as the present generations knowledge of God as our father{ provider, healer, protector, teacher, all mighty, Lord, LORD, our banner {rallying point}, sanctifier, our peace, our righteousness, our shepard, our saviour} is lost from their memory bank more and more feeedoms will be lost to the greater good of the colective " socialism" and it doesn't work. Posted by Richie 10, Sunday, 23 May 2010 12:37:00 AM
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check this out:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html
Makes you wonder... of course I will get out the information I need to over the next week or 3 before any dumb El-Presidente tries to stop it all.
After all..HE (Obama)is implicated bigtime in a lot of "bad things"
But in his case, it is a matter of connecting the dots.. not much or any evidence of specific criminality that I know of.