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Miners and big money spin

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Yabby,
Obfuscation 101, throw in ad hominem to cover your mistake and ridicule topic raised and divert.
You can do better.

Hasbeen,

Glad to see you can amuse your self with your vitriolic/hyperbole radomizer.
tip. vitriol/hyperbole works better when there is some overall logical context or relationship... Just being helpful.
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 11:28:40 AM
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*Obfuscation 101, throw in ad hominem to cover your mistake and ridicule topic raised and divert.*

Which is exactly what you are doing right now, Examinator.

Evidently you are simply too scatter brained to actually understand
the points that a huge player such as Kloppers, is actually
making.

But it seems that the Govt has already realised, that it has made
a major blunder. Martin Ferguson is already backtracking,
suggesting that terms are negotiable and that companies should
sit down with the tax consultative committee, project for project,
which was once of Klopper's points.

The excuse now is that this tax is better then the State based
royalty tax. The major backdown by Govt is just beginning, for
like you, they never thought these things through.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 12:36:03 PM
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Yabby,
My you are a B&T flower.Go for it mate, hope you feel better.
BTW where was my ad hominem aimed at you?

I'm simply not interested in your regurgitation of what has been on/in the mass media with the add hyperbole especially since it's off the topic.

If someone doesn't APPEAR to agree with you they are what ... lacking in integrity, should be ashamed ,dribbling,dim witted......
Perhaps you should read what I've said elsewhere on the topic.
Posted by examinator, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 2:24:10 PM
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Not so Examinator. The fact is that if you want to throw around
insults as you did, which I highlighted in my first post, then
I will honestly tell you what I think of you, your opinions and
why.

Now if you want to do more then pass your normal smart arsed
comments, then at least inform yourself about what the real
players in this debate are saying. Not the press, not the
commentators, but the players that matter, such as Kloppers.
Then understand why they are saying it. It is for very good
reasons, which every informed investor would understand.

If you understood those things, you would also know why
miners such as BHP, when they make huge investment
decisions over many years, like 22$ billion on the
expansion of Olympic dam, should they go ahead, want
Govt to tell them ahead of time, what their net outcome
will be, not after the event.

If you don't understand why integrity is required in
all this, then you either have none, or don't have
the foggiest what this issue is really about in the
first place.

Now you are free to toddle off and go and understand
the issues, but so far the only tragedy has been
your ignorance
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 4:37:35 PM
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Oh yes – yet again we have the Yabby’s definition of ‘integrity’ coupled with his adoration of the third world, ‘rape and run’ strategies of the transnational corporate plunderers invading this nation and anywhere else they can get their sticky fingers into.

"Dear Reader,

"In 2008, Chevron paid more than $40 billion to the governments of countries around the world - much of it entirely in secret.

"Chevron drills for oil in places where millions of families struggle on less than $1 a day. That $40 billion could have supported schools, health care and food programs - so where did it go?

"Chevron knows exactly how much it paid to each country. But they won't say. And without any information on these secret payments, poor communities can't demand their fair share - to send their children to school, create jobs and escape poverty and hunger.

"Tell Chevron to open the books on its secret payments so that the world can follow the money and help put it toward real development.
Without even a basic accounting of how much money Chevron sends to each country, there's no transparency, no accountability and no way for poor people to call for their fair share.

"That means people whose lands are yielding up billions of dollars in oil revenues still face chronic hunger and poverty. It means some officials remain free to enrich themselves with no public oversight.

"This makes it hard for citizens and watchdog groups to follow the money and keep officials honest.

"Oxfam's staff have met with Chevron multiple times, but they keep refusing to disclose. So we've filed a shareholder proposal for Chevron's May 26th annual meeting, by which shareholders can exercise their rights and ask Chevron to open the books on its secret payments - and we're also making it easy for people like you to put direct pressure on Chevron:"

https://secure.oxfamamerica.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1093

Sincerely,

Raymond C. Offenheiser
President
Oxfam America
Posted by Protagoras, Thursday, 13 May 2010 9:03:48 PM
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Dickie dear, last time that I can remember, you claimed to be
a woman. Do I now crucify you with every crime ever committed
by another female?

Guilt by association is simply not going to work, for Chevron
have absolutaly nothing at all to do with the onshore mining
dispute that is going on right now in Australia.
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 13 May 2010 9:19:30 PM
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