Not me personally Proxy but your faith. I don't think St Peter would turn you back in any case, isn't it about forgiveness above all else?

Did you ignore the first part of my post. I wasn't having a go at you merely putting it to you that it may not be such an odd match as you think, for the reasons stated.

The arm of friendship and all that...

Pelican- <" Women's lot in Iran won't be changed unless we get them involved as partners in global affairs rather than always adversaries."

Absolutely spot on Pelican! I read an article about the UN and that is similar to the reason they gave for the UN including Iran in the Commission on the Status of Women.

Of course, people Like Proxy and Cornflower, who are usually ready to have a go at anything even vaguely feminine, don't give a damn about the women of Iran, they just want to push their anti-Islam barrel.

Suzeonline:"people Like Proxy and Cornflower, who are usually ready to have a go at anything even vaguely feminine,"

Oh dear, feeling a bit post-menopausal hon?

On the subject of Iran, I tend to think this is a pretty good move. As Pericles pointed out, it is not a bad thing to have diversity of views and if Feminism is a genuinely robust philosophical construction rather than a self-serving ideology then it will have no trouble encompassing a potentially dissenting view. Of course, rather a lot of the "entitlement feminists" will have their nose out of joint for a while, but that's not a bad thing either.

Antiseptic: <"Oh dear, feeling a bit post-menopausal hon?">

You disagree with Proxy and Cornflower's opinions on this matter yourself - are you post-menopausal?

Which leads me to note that it isn't feminists who are objecting here is it; but Cornflower and Proxy

pynchme:"are you post-menopausal?"

Not so much post-menopausal as non-menstrual. It's pretty common in men.

I do disagree with cornflower, not because I think she is feminist, or non-feminist or because I "hate women" or one of the other silly "reasons" that the Suzies and pynchmes and pelicans of the world trot out whenever someone disagrees with them, but because I think that she is wrong on rationl grounds and that pericles is right.

It's terribly amusing that the same people who whinge about a "boy's club" try to justify a "women's club" on the same grounds that they dismiss when the men use them.

If diversity is a good thing for boards and clubs, surely it's an equally good thing for UN committees?

Anti, there are really very few people who hate women or men. Most people are good. Most are are open-minded and fair in their assessments with a broad overview of gender issues rather than holding a more rigid self-serving stance.

I don't think I have ever read one comment from yourself that actually supports women in any way. Everything about women is negative to you - your POV is your right and I suspect not much I or anyone else can say that will move you from your position of feminist conspiracies.

I would only ask you to take a second look. Read about the origins and reasons behind feminism. Do you really think women should not be entitled to vote in political affairs? Women were treated not only as second class citizens but were unable to legally provide for themselves despite the bizarre theory of some men on OLO that patriarcy was the result of feminists.

The feminist movement was not a perfect one. I don't think there ever has been a perfect cause for change. Despite all these feminist conspiracies women have not taken over in the business, government or political sector.

Change takes time and men are also starting to realise some equalities to correct past injustices regarding Family Law.