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Does Israel Control the USA?

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Dear Daggett,

I know of nobody who has claimed that all Muslims are united and worked with Al Qaeda to orchestrate 9/11.

However, the initial statement of this string brought in AIPAC, 5 million US Jews and Israel as controlling the US.

Do you believe the latter?

Am I the only American Jew who neither supports Israel nor AIPAC?

You are credulous cranks and/or scum.

Yes, asking that sort of question is promoting a vicious stereotype which has resulted in mass murder in the past and may do so in the future.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 16 May 2010 2:52:57 AM
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Davidf. The jewish lobby has enormous power in the USA.They have great influence in the banking system and Wall St.When 80% of Congress signs a letter of allegiance promising not to critise them,then all is not well.

Rather than flinging abuse go to http://www.ae911truth.org/ and veiw the video Blue Print for Truth. I' ve met Richard Gage it's founder and others like Prof Steven Jones.They are not making this up.They have the science to back it up.Prof Neils Harrit did a 2 yr study on nanao thermite and his peer reviewed paper has been ignored.Not analysed ,critised or debunked.

You have not even tried to address any of the facts or scientific findings yourself.Hurling abuse does not present an argument.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:01:01 AM
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david f: << You are credulous cranks and/or scum >>

"Scum" is going a bit far. However obsessed and deluded these clowns are, I think they mean well.

However, david f is quite correct to point out the unintended implications of their conspiratorial fantasies.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:10:41 AM
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david f wrote, "I know of nobody who has claimed that all Muslims are united and worked with Al Qaeda to orchestrate 9/11."

I am well aware that even former President George W Bush has not claimed that.

However, what I dispute, just as much as you dispute that a world-wide Jewish/Zionist conspiracy guides the destiny of humankind, is that a world-wide conspiracy of Islamist fanatics, who are based in Afghanistan, perpetrated 9/11, the London Tube bombings, the Bali bombings, etc.

And I dispute the argument that in order to defeat that alleged conspiracy it is necessary to fight seemingly endless wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, etc, which have already cost well over a million lives and tolerate the removal of guarantees of free speech, democratic freedoms and human rights, such as that which occurred during the APEC summit in September 2007 at a cost of AU$169 million to Australian taxpayers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APEC_Australia_2007#Criticism_and_public_response).

As you must surely appreciate, by not having been able to provide answers to those questions posed by the 9/11 Truth movement in my previous post or, indeed any others before that, the evidence of that conspiracy does not exist.

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david f asks "Do you believe that [5 million US Jews and Israel control the US]?"

What I do know is that the US and most countries of the world are controlled by small wealthy greedy elites.

Hervé Kempf, environmental editor of Le Monde in "How the Rich are destroying the Earth" (2007, 2008) puts that figure at roughly several hundred thousand. (I can't cite the page or his more precise estimate.)

So, obviously, if we accept that the minority that are in control the destiny of the US is considerably smaller the figure you have given.

Whether or not pro-Israeli Jews comprise the majority of that elite (and it seems unlikely to me that they do) is not the main point for me.
Posted by daggett, Sunday, 16 May 2010 10:33:45 AM
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c j morgan.The evidence is all there and none of you have tried to debunk it.That says a lot.The truth movement is enormous.ae911truth now has almost 1200 professionals and 8000 other supporters who want a new investigation.You do not lightly put your name down if you are an Architect or Engineer since this will limit your career opportunities.There are pilots,lawyers,academics,"we are change" run by Luke Rudowski all demanding that the truth be heard.

The ex President of Italy Cossiga wants a new investigation along with Dr Mahathir Mohamid of Malaysia, Armadinajad of Iran,Jessie Ventura ex Gov in USA and many others,do not believe the official story.Cossiga says it was a CIA/MOSSAD operation

When Prof Niels Harrit put out his paper on nano thermite in April 2009 it went on national Danish TV but was banned here.

What are the unintended consequences cj morgan? If they get away with this,then the West is doomed to a facism and totalitarianism to horrible to contemplate.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 16 May 2010 11:10:56 AM
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Arjay, some days you are pure delight.

>>The ex President of Italy Cossiga wants a new investigation<<

Even the most cursory research would show that Cossiga was being sarcastic:

"As I’ve been told, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow the most important chain of newspapers of our country should give the proof, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (which in reality is an audio tape) in which appears Osama, leader of “the great and powerful movement of islamic revenge Al Quaeda” - God bless him! - and in which are formulated threats to our ex president Berlusconi, is nothing more than a fake realized inside Mediaset studios in Milan and sent to arabic television station Al Jazeera.

The trap was organized to create solidarity for Berlusconi, who is having lot of problems related to the tangle between RAI and Mediaset. From circles around Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is testified from the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda was the author of the attack of the 11 September on the Twin Towers in New York, while all of the democratic circles of America and of Europe, in the front lines being those of the Italian centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan."

As ever, you have been sucked in. If you look carefully, you will also be able to track down the "La Stampa" article in which he points out the misrepresentation - it's not easy to get to because of La Stampa's internet publishing policy. But it's there.

As for your other conspiracy-boosters - Dr Mahathir, President Ahmadinejad clearly have an axe to grind. And Jessie Ventura, of course, has a TV program that needs viewers.

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html

Altogether, a pretty good sample of your supporters.

Their motivation is clear.

But what is yours?
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 17 May 2010 1:29:33 PM
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