Sophistry, daggett? That's a crack-up.

>>I will have to attend to Pericles' sophistry in regard to Flight 77<<

I merely pointed out that your theory, and I quote, "requires you to ignore the existence of physical evidence - trivial stuff, like the bodies of the passengers, the black boxes recovered, eyewitness testimony, that sort of thing."

Sophistry n. a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.

No subtlety there.

Not at all tricky, either, it's perfectly straightforward. And a little more than "superficially" plausible, I would suggest.

To add the cherry on the top, there is not a single fallacious aspect to the "method of reasoning" here. Just a simple statement, that to believe in a, you have to ignore b, c and d.

Which all contradict you.

I look forward to the fact that you will "attend" to it "on another occasion".

In fact, how about now?

>>I note that Pericles has avoided answering my straightforward question of whether or not he supports the invasion of Afghanistan and why.<<

My views on the invasion of Afghanistan have bugger-all relevance to the dismemberment of your ridiculous conspiracy inventions, which is why I haven't offered them.

One thing at a time, eh?

>>Pericles has yet to respond.<<

Nope.

You just haven't been listening, that's all.

As usual.

Daggett.The strategy is to keep us tied up with their mis-information.Very few people actually read OLO.The really big impact is on the Ron Paul site.I know from personal experience.

David f sees me,Arjay as being really dangerous.Why is truth now a danger? None of them can mount an argument to contravene any of the realities we present.It is all ad hominem and their BS .

Professor Niels Harrit is coming to Sydney soon ,to present his peer reviewed paper by 9 international scientists, on nano thermite. This highly sophistocated explosive was found in all three buildings of the 911 World Trade Centre.Muslims living in caves in Afghanistan had not the technical or scientific nous to pull this off.The venue is Mitchell Theatre Syd. Mechanical School of Arts, 280 Pitt St Sydney at 6:30 pm.

Daggett,we have to move on,these clowns are wasting our time.

Pericles wrote, "My views on the invasion of Afghanistan have bugger-all relevance, ..."

In fact, I would have to agree.

But why only your views on the invasion of Afghanistan?

Arjay & Daggett, I will tell you why I see you as a danger.

The title of this string is "Does Israel Control the USA?" If you really believe the answer to that question is 'yes' you are credulous cranks believing in the myth of the all-powerful Jew. If enough people see things that way we will be attacked and will suffer. If you believe the answer to that question is 'no' then you are vile persons who exploit Jew hatred for their own purposes by asking the question and giving credibility by asking. That is what bothers me - the original title of this thread and the original statement. You are either cranks or scum. It is not your conspiracy theories that bother me. It is the opening of this thread and the original assumption of the 5,000,000 Jews, AIPAC & Israel controlling the US.

In recent history whenever an event gets much publication or causes great consequences, there are conspiracy theorists coming out of the woodwork who see hidden forces. That doesn't particularly bother me. I can live with cranks. Many people are cranks in some way or other. I would not have responded to this thread if that was all it was. However, you started out putting Jews as though we were all united and supported whatever Israel wants and Israel is all powerful. This is pretty standard antisemitism and frightens me wherever it appears. So I repeat. You are either credulous cranks or scum.

Those two sets are not mutually exclusive david f...

david f,

Why are those, who hold that an international conspiracy of Islamist extremists was responsible for 9/11, 7/7, the Bali bombings the Madrid train bombings, etc., any less "conspiracy theorists" than those who reject that conspiracy theory?

In regard to the question, "Does Israel control the USA?" I don't see why it should not be asked.

Even credible Jewish commentators talk of the power of the Jewish lobby over the US. Also, it's obvious that US policy is very biassed towards Israel and blind to its mis-treatment of Palestinians.

So, why is one necessarily anti-Semitic to have posed that question?

As I already wrote, my own mind is open on the issue.

Not understanding the issue better, I think it is more likely that whilst Israel and the Jewish lobby wield unduly great influence over the US, but they don't control the US outright.

But, whoever it is that controls the US, whether Anglos, Europeans, more native Americans, Jews, other racial/cultural groups or some combination, are a greedy and reckless minority, who pose the greatest threat to humankind in all history (with the arguable exception of the Generals who tried to get President Kennedy on several occasions to launch pre-emptive nuclear strikes against the USSR).

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If you are so sure that powerful figures within the US administration did not orchestrate 9/11, then what are your answers to the questions from the 9/11 Truth Statement at http://www.911truth.org/page.php?page=2009_truth_statement including:

1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?

2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?

6. How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?

9. Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?

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