Severin,

Respect! ^5

My hat is off to you lovey. I really don't know how you maintain your reasonable attitude in the context of this endless stream of abusive personal comment.

I get a share myself but as my Gran and Mum always said, "Consider the source... " and "... some people are just untaught. They really don't know any better."

Totally unwarranted and these abusive morons are too lacking in grace to acknowledge that they are never subjected to the same despite their endlessly repetitive, over-emotive, illogical, whining prattle.

*breathe in!*

Talk about sookies.

Stay strong. Stay just as you are - delightful.

Foxy, you are either wedded to the narrow view or deliberately dumb. I don't think you're all that dumb.

you say:"And you seriously need to have a re-think about
the burdens your children will have to face
unless you provide for yourself in your old
age, "

and who will actually provide the services that you pay for? Who has made that possible? Parents, old girl. not the wilfully childless. As a parent, you get to pay twice, while the Severins of this world get to swan around enjoying their freedom from responsibility until they're decrepit, at which point they pay the same to ne looked after as you and I. It hardly seems resonable to expect me or you to pay for her laziness and selfishness. Why should she not contribute as much as we do?

pynchme:"you go sistagrrrl"

You get the "empty cup" for the most vapid post of the week. You go sistagrrrl.

Pynchme those comments by Antiseptic were vile and add nothing to the debate however I don't think that it's true that Antiseptic is never subjected to similar.

I've seen a long term trend of speculation about Antiseptic's personal life and his relationships with women most of which look a lot more like put down's than genuine debate. Holly has mentioned that Antiseptic was accused of being a kiddy fiddler in a post which was deleted before I saw it. I don't have any reason to doubt that claim. Taunt's against Severin such as the one discussed here are really sad but it's not fair to suggest that Antiseptic does not cop similar.

R0bert

R0bert - jumping to Antiseptic or "holly"'s defence is a blind bit of rubbish. I didn't see any such accusations; I did see a long, convoluted bit of blather justifying the use of child pornography.

You also didn't see the utter filth posted by Antiseptic about specific posters that was deleted. You apparently haven't seen the constant stream of nonsense posted about me and my family; even on threads where I've not posted.

Btw It's Antiseptic who posts information about his various family conflicts; and I can only say I'd be very interested in the other side of the story. For one thing I am pretty sure that when I last read HIS recount of the story about his ex hiding behind the door; it was his daughter who had been pushed out front because his ex was frightened of him.

You lose credibility every time you play mother to these sorts of abusive fellows. If you had as much to say about their behaviour your post wouldn't be so misguided and basically silly.

Dear Antispetic,

Now you're scaring me.

What's with the "Grrrrr," comments?
That's so rude and impolite.
Honestly can't we lift the bar in this
discussion? When we stoop down to
personal insults - it shows signs of
intellectual bankruptcy.

I'm really perplexed why you keep raving
on about parenthood - regarding old
age. My mother's paid for herself all
of her life. I've done the same. What does
parenthood have to do with any of it?
You raise your children, then you let go
of them. Your relationship moves into a
healthy friendship that only grows and grows.
But letting go is a most important first step:
letting go, and having faith that the lessons
learned will be remembered. It's not easy, but
it's necessary, unless you want to be a parent
who as I've written on other threads, has to be
"dealt with," instead of a parent who they come
to for advice.

Anti - you really need to relax, and not get so hostile.
These are only discussions after all.
Why get personal - and insult people? If you don't
want to hear what others have to say - simply
don't post. But when you do post - people are
entitled to their opinions - no matter how stupid
they may be from your point of view.

Perhaps you need to take a break for a while?

Pynchme I've seen plenty of comments by Antiseptic which disgust me but your claim was that he is not subject to similar, do your really believe that? I've not tried to claim that Antiseptic is an innocent when it comes to abuse of other posters, rather I reject the claim that it's a one way flow. I wish Anti and the Anti-Anti group would drop the abuse but all seem to prefer to keep it going.

R0bert