“IN REGARDS TO THAT COMMENT I HAD RE READ…”

In the absence of being addressed specifically, I assume you are writing to me.

My comments of the clock face were brought up to correct your gross misrepresentation of what I said. It is an ingrained habit of mine to correct those who corrupt or misrepresent what I do or say.

Regarding “Now Col as for those who disagree or agree they can see if those who state even by their own words are not able to say they agree, then how can anyone take any view that you post seriously.”

My problem with that sentence is, it lacks the grammatical discipline which might make it otherwise, intelligible. Re-write it in English and I will endeavour to answer.

“This discussion has been answered and the answer is;

AUSTRALIAN POLITICS IS UNDEMOCRATIC AND IS A BENEVOLENT DICTATORSHIP.”

It is undemocratic for you to presume a unilateral right to declare the discussion is concluded and that question conclusively answered.

Although I think we might be running out of steam to bother, I would remind you that

A democracy is never a fixed set of immobile sytems but a series of changing responses to general principles and values.

"Democracy in action" is a moving feast.

That is why I use, for myself, the clock face as a mental prompt to plot where peoples views seem to lay.

That is why I see Australian liberalism and US democrats a few minutes to the right of “pure democracy” and the US republicans a minute or two more to the right and the forces of communism and fascism as diametrically opposed to democracy.

I would fully expect your views swing from 20 minutes to the hour and 20 minutes past the hour, depending on your emotional state at any moment.

Finally,

“As for you think i am here to impress people, for that you are very mistaken.”

Well congratulations, you can mark up that as a success. You have failed to impress anyone.

For Col

As i have said i am not here to impress anyone as implied by a previous comment of yours

You,leigh and country Gal had all agreed with each other so as to your agreement then you had to agree as to Leighs comments.

These comments which are black and white not gray as you would wish.

Australian Politics is undemocratic and a Benevolent Dictatorship.

It doesnt matter how you try to slice i did take the time to read Leighs 779 posts and this is what he agreed to.

Oh your posts i will go through this weekend which should make for good discussion on monday.

Those who read this will find that you will either break ties with Leigh for his comments regarding undemocratic policy and benevolent dictatorship, or of course there is the backfip.

I for one have been hearing many public comments around about this undemocratic behaviour in politics and people are calling a dictatorship so it seems that 20 million people are in aggreement about the state of political curruption,deception and all around couldnt care for the people.

It should be beneficial that high school students now have to study government.

What about the dictators in the media? When they don't like a candidate's views (right of centre) they are labeled populist. When the left of centre behave similarly it is a valid grass roots initiative.

I couldn't understand how populism was a bad thing when I studied government but I have learned, the majority isn't always right they are just the winners of the debate. Latest example is the media beat up over P platers. While it is illegal to sell investments using statistics from one or two years the media is quite happy to beat up more fear and stigmatising of a group. Now it is P platers having tired of Cronulla dwellers, 4WD owners, Mt Druitt students, V8 owners, firearm owners, Christians, jet ski owners, and certain dog owners. However, a replay is always good for circulation something akin to a Hollywood sequel. Unless Nicole is visiting Sydney then the important public announcement can wait for a slow news day.

How about equal treatment under the law? After all isn't Australia the freest country in the world? If the proposed discriminatory laws are justifiable for young adults how can one argue against applying them across the board.

The electorate has proven they are happy enough to trade off someone else's freedoms as long as they are OK Jack.

The thread question: democracy vs dictatorship...do we have either, or?

Manning Clark had said it thus ( and I paraphrase him) " Australia is nothing more than an autocratic, monarchic state..."

So to Crown Policy since Arthur Phillip dropped anchor off Camp Cove...'divide and conquer' - it's still happening today as we blog folks, and it won't change until the reality dawns on the masses and another political entity emerges to supplant the current two party abused system of voting. An entity, group or otherwise popular 'party' that poses a real threat to counter the CLP/ALP in all things.

But wait a minute, Hanson & Ettridge, weren't they gaoled for electoral fraud initially? That scenario is how the 'Crown' will likely react again if another party dares raise its head above the parapets without first doing its homework. That was 'democracy' in action (sorry 'inaction') in Australia. Unless you actually read through the court transcripts and gleaned out who the actual villians really were, most Stralians were happy to swallow the media interpretation of the whole sad event and accept it as 'truth' whilst the Crown spun out its lies and vomit.

Rum Rebellions... just keep the masses subdued and happy on Bundy & Cokes, Jim Beams, XXXX etc. Don't raise the price of petrol, smokes & grog too drastically, and they'll happily follow you over the hill to oblivion...how tragic, how historic.

Cowboy Joe
you do raise some very good points and yes in agreement
It seems that the media likes to beat up what it wants us to know and nothing more.

Albie Manton in Darwin
The points you raise are quite good and what the people think.

The thread question: democracy vs dictatorship...do we have either, or?

Manning Clark had said it thus ( and I paraphrase him) " Australia is nothing more than an autocratic, monarchic state..."

But remember the question was in regards to Australian Politics itself.

Also what this party is about has not reference to any other.

What I have done is given you the oppertunity to email, not to be force or stacked so really the choice for more about this is up to you and there is no strings attached, and you might just find this isnt weird or wacky but very straight forward by a person to the people. The only thing I ask, is for you to be honest and with my reply it will be clear.

Thank You

Email: swulrich@bigpond.net.au

Tapp “Those who read this will find that you will either break ties with Leigh for his comments regarding undemocratic policy and benevolent dictatorship, or of course there is the backfip.”

I agree with many things many people say and disagree with many more. I often agree a lot with some people but rarely agree on everything they hold a view to.

I have yet to find anywhere in this thread where I would need to “break ties” with Leigh for what he has said on this thread.

You are probably rewriting something Leigh or someone with a name like “Leigh” might have said somewhere else, converted it into your words which, we have seen from your attempts at quoting me, produce a farcical misrepresentation and corruption.

I would note Country Gal has openly agreed with me.
I read Leigh believes we do have a democracy, as do I, without either of us confirming agreement with the other and without our definitions necessarily being in complete agreement.

So whatever “ties” you think bind us are mythical. It merely confirms my view of “Democracy” and Australia being one.

“The success of Democracy is to govern but not to impose a common objective on everyone.”

The “common objective” would be the state declaring the how, what, where and when of everything. That is a dictatorship.

It can be seen in communism and fascism. The individual is suborned and the faceless, soulless, caringless State; which determines and decrees everything.

By your free dissent with the Australian government of the day, here, confirms that government as Democratic. If you were to criticize the government in China, a dictatorship still (although one which is slowly moving toward democracy), you would be in jail. You would not have free access to any internet site in the world which took your fancy. You would not be able to practice your religion. A few years ago, you would not have been allowed to have a thought of your own.

As dearest Margaret, said “Of course it's the same old story. Truth usually is the same old story.”