Pericles

Philo must be terrified; his entire raison d'etre threatened by an Islamic cleric advocating peace.

Poor Philo he will only have atheists left to denigrate and they aren't such easy targets considering their refusal to engage in jihads or holy crusades, they don't even pray to the wrong 'god', because they don't believe in any god.

Peace in the middle east means tough times for the likes of Philo.

Philo,

For one so proud of his faith you sure don't seem to know it very well.

Didn't Jesus say during the Sermon on the Mount -

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Well isn't Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri trying to discuss peace by condemning terrorism as "unIslamic"? Isn't this a doorway to peace?

And when you state "Talking peace is not peace" I would have thought that is exactly what Jesus did.... he talked and through talking, taught! Have you just undermined Jesus' methodology and teachings?

How big is that log you have in your eye there Philo?

Every journey starts with a first step and this fatwa is a giant first step!

Foxy - Undoing the wrongs of history is always a tough thing to do. All sides have done wrong.

I, like you, and most of the other posters on this thread are approaching this FATWA with the respect and sensitivity it deserves.

May we find a way to have dialogue without the threats of violence and celebrate differences without prejudice...

Undoing what has been done is always difficult but with goodwill, love and respect anything is possible.

Afterall if God exists.... He/she/it is LOVE!

The only way to overcome Muslim terrorists is for the whole Muslim community to incarcerated those that teach segregation or hate; not declare FATWA'S. The community need institutions to reeducated and demonstrate by attitude love and peace to them the benifits of the reformed Muslim religion of peace.

Remove all the Kora'ns from the community containing encouragement to violence against Jews, Christians and infidels. This must be done by all Muslim sections not just the reformed group. Reeducate that Israel has a right to exist despite what Allah has told them.

History has shown, there is no denomination of any faith that is in total agreement on all their holy text, and one will threaten those with different interpretations from theirs within the denomination. The only way they will unite is by tight control of belief. How is this to be enforced; only by classing discenters as a heretic's and shot, burned at the stake or beheaded. Passionate zealots don't resolve easily. These have all been tried before. It's Ok to crucify me but come up with real solutions to an ingrained world view that means fight for the faith of Allah to the death. Martyrs - suicide bommers have the highest honour. They give their life for the cause.

Philo

Not asking a lot are you?

Lots of nasty stuff in the bible as well.

Here's an idea...

If you toss out your bible, I'm sure that Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri will toss his Koran out.

Deal?

Severin,
I am a Christian, I am not a Jew. I follow the teachings of Christ. Where in the NT do you find the nasty stuff you talk about?

Philo,

Oh now you have gone and done it... You have got me quoting the Bible again.

Jesus, (Matthew 5:17-18), categorically states "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

In this verse he empowers all the laws of Moses, a prophet, and the person chosen by G-D to deliver the laws.

Now Philo open your black book and read some of the laws that are empowered by these verses.

Here are a few to get you started

I think from memory they are laws allegedly given by G-d through Moses

Numbers 31:7-18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031:7-18&version=NIV

Deuteronomy 17:12 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2017:12&version=NIV

Exodus 21:15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:15&version=NIV

Leviticus 21:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2021:9&version=NIV

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:20-21&version=NIV

2 Chronicles 15:12-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%2015:12-13&version=NIV

Deuteronomy 13:13-19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2013:13-19&version=NIV

and

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2017:2-5&version=NIV

just for starters...

Now I know most aren't in the NT but in Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus empowers them

OR

Philo - If you believe in the trinity and you believe Jesus is God you have a huge problem because Jesus, if you believe this, must have given these instructions.