Well TBC all I can say is , you seem a nice enough bloke and ,well , let’s just say, I have thought about giving you details , but on balance– you’re not listening . I’m sequestering discussion about sequestration because too many people are talking about it when it’s none of their business to do so.
And its not you I am really worried about , its all those graduates from the school of mere description who are watching what we are saying and have the power to plug a new word into their drip feed machine . No more on my power bills thank you !

You sound like half the country, running around talking about things you don’t understand . That put’s you in the frame as most likely part of the problem – not part of the solution . Do you respect scientists? – well let them get on with it !
Tell me then -What qualifications do you have to talk sequestration with authority?

You need ,I think , like Belly , to silence those who talk eloquently about conservation to Cabinet and replace them with someone who knows something about it . Can’t even get a pink bat right ?
Let’s face facts – The green advisors are so unaware of eco connections that they think by targeting industry they won’t affect the people. This simplicity in the world of “connections that matter “is enough to bring the house down -such ignorance of ecomia ! – a subject they claim they are qualified in ?

How predictable was it that a rational conversation about ephemeral and invisible hot air got carried away to heavenly places -the adjudicators were unqualified. Even my rationale would probably sound equally esoteric to OLO readers, but because I have tested many of the numerous interrelated gas equations over a lifetime it doesn’t stop me from having some confidence and faith in how they really work. Up there and down ere mate -its an amazing space .

Hasbeen

<< if we shut down everything you lot want to shut down >>

Clearly guilty of not researching Greens' Policies.

As KH stated to Belly:

<< Again, actual examples and analyses please- not lazy assumptions. >>

Please forgive quoting, very tired today and simply can't be arsed repeating myself.

Just watch the forthcoming Tassie election, Taswegians have been screwed over by Labor and have no reason to trust that the Libs will be any better. Watch the Greens pick up votes, watch how they work, then make some reasoned comment.

Thanks Severin, your quotes of my point are perfectly satisfactory.

And Hanranan- you would do well to read them.
If I indeed don't "understand" the issue feel free to enlighten me- or even pick one topic I'm supposedly not understanding.
Until then I take your accusations with a grain of salt.

I do trust scientists- however, as the Global Warming topic you get a lot of scientists clearly disagreeing over the issue and bringing up contradictory studies- they can't all be correct- but which ones are they?
It's the same with any issue- lots of scientists have differing views on every issue you can name.

On another note who exactly IS "qualified" in the issue of "What qualifications do you have to talk sequestration with authority?"
The persons doing it? The property-owners affected? Real-estate agents?

Just to let you know vague dismissal with hyperbole instead of examples really doesn't impress that many people who would be reading it.

KH You do your case no service shouting the same charges then telling me I'm doing just that.
Facts, honest truths matter.
Your mob are radicals, lost radicals, ETS for griefs sake is their policy too, only a harsher one, one that would kill our country's economy.
Are you refusing to see that.
Do you truly not know it?
Can you understand the impact of your coal policy's on us?
And finally do you understand more AUSTRALIANS will NEVER NOT EVER vote for your mob, than will?
How then do you get growth?
Until Bob Brown leaves, until you get policy's that understand our need for jobs, to eat, to defend our selves greens are dieing.
hasbeen you too got it right one day your side and mine will put this radical mob in the bag out vote every move let them be seen for the wasted vote they are.

The difference between you and me Belly is *I* actually substantiate my claims by specific references- something you have failed to do.
In fact, again, with the ominous catastrophe that you won't actually elaborate, after three times I called you out on it.
AND continue with the childish "oh we'll have no defense if our army only defends"! rubbish AFTER I disproved it.
Nor have you managed to share a single would-be invader, with some motives to boot.
I actually had to go to the liberty of going through hypotheticals and disproving them.
Notice the difference?

Ok, let me make this REALLY easy for you:
Tell me, the particular policies YOU know the Greens will undertake, give me a reference, and then tell me HOW they will prevent people 'eating, working and defending themselves'- if you manage to point me to the policy I missed- the "Food, employment and National Defense Abolishment Bill" I will even apologise!

If you can't find it, then maybe you should consider that maybe the Greens actually AREN'T like that and you were just hoodwinked- merely BELIEVING you're right really doesn't match up to CHECKING with a clear mind- which I can boast.

As for "more people vote against than for your party"- you should have a look at how overwhelmingly popular the Labor Party is, even during an election where the nation was SO desperate to get rid of the Liberals they sided with the next largest party just to maximize the chances of getting them out!
Go on, at least have a look at that!

Belly, old mate - you seem to be quite paranoid about the Greens.

This is to be expected of course, since the ALP have been losing members and votes to them in ever increasing numbers.

However, that's no reason for you to be dishonest. I understand that the only strategy that you dinosaurs know is to attack anybody that threatens your hegemony - but I'm pretty sure that it has the reverse effect to what you want.

I know this, because I used to be a member of the ALP until I woke up to the deeply-ingrained corruption in the party, not to mention the 'radical' shift to the right. To be quite honest, about the only thing that separates Labor from Liberal these days is the spelling.

The Greens are steadily gathering support from similarly disenchanted former Labor supporters like me, not to mention ex-Democrats and Tories who've grown consciences. No wonder you're so obviously running scared.

On the ETS - the Greens oppose the Mickey Mouse versions that the Government put up so far because they are so compromised that it they would be worse than not having one at all. To have done otherwise would have been hypocritical. Unlike the ALP and the Coalition, the Greens aren't big on hypocrisy.