With Rudd and labors dismal excuse for policy and execution of the insulation scheme, we now have Wong and Combet told to go forth with all others and profess the gospel of labors incompetence.

We must ask ourselves why it takes an order from their leader to go forth to the masses when it is in fact the masses that they are supposed to represent.
It is known Combet does not like personal contact or even replying to people’s concerns as I have spoken too many who have emailed and written but no replies received, why is this so?.

So how can they even think they can fix this just by spin, or will labor throw more money at a problem, that we have to pay back?

we must have all the labor and union members out making sure the rock show of spin is ready for the influx of pollies.

It should in fact be interesting as if these pollies are like these posters here they will run and stick their heads in the sand, but will infact come out for that media photo.

I would also have to take that they have been practising their boot licking as that is what we get but it is spin.

Why the people do not check for themselve is nothing but a disgrace, but this is what these parties and unions want.

Instead of checking the information they just believe, and thus we get the gullible masses.

Yea it is written, Rudd sayeth to Garret, Go forth, but he came fifth,
There was a great gnashing of teeth amongst the tribe,
Garret was condemned don sack cloth and ashes
and to burn the Midnight Oil studying the wholey writ,
Wong and Combet were cast to battle the wolves, of the false profit, (correct spelling) the mad monk.
Verily the mad monk comandeth his arch angel Barney, to go amongst the people and spread confusion.
For Barney was truly a victim of the tower of Babel.
And thus it is recorded that nothing changed in the land of Parliament.
Amen and a few women.

I am sorry Mr Rudd you are not worthy to hold the office of PM. you are a master of spin,unfortunately, you may have been able to fool your traditional supporters, but for those who can think thru issues are aware that it will take many years to get over the damage your party has caused to this country.

Bring on the next election

Voter
An innocent citizen required at elections
to indicate a preference for candidates
pre-selected by party heavies through the
normal process of threats, blackmail, bribery
and promises.

OLO indeed all forums are neon lights to bugs for some posters who push a barrow or are not totally able to see issues.
IN have crossed swords with many very good posters who think other than my way, but you and I have form, you do you know have my sympathy.
I truly do hope you can find some reason for living.
But the pure slander, you hate Combet
because he holds the seat you stood for.
You ignore the fact he is indeed a fixer a far better performer than Garrett
Rudd, at last did the right thing, he took his time, he may have dirt on his own hands, in time his wish to be loved may destroy him.
But he is at this time by far the best we have, look at the opposition just for a moment compare Rudd to Abbott.
TAPP, few understand my contempt for you is not based on your hate for my party.
Few understand you hate both sides, that you would piles the lies on Liberals too.
Others, well except antiseptic, leave me alone after I say I wish not to reply,
I ask those who judge me to read your post history and mine.
And you TAPP to remember that dreadful betrayal of my privacy some time ago as a result of OLO posts.

Belly:"Others, well except antiseptic, leave me alone after I say I wish not to reply, "

Which usually means "I don't like what I'm reading so I'll put my hands over my eyes and go "lalalala, I can't see you"".

Ostrichism is never admirable, Belly.

Ah Belly, Belly, Belly

These lies you always talk about what are they.

Your bark is just as bad as your bite.

Nothing to worry about there.

I will have to create another post going through what belly calls lies and i will add links and then those can make their decision on why i have no respect for political parties.

And Combet, where is he hiding, why is it he does not reply to corrospondence or since he is a stooge of labor he does as he is told.

We have had some good posts with humour which is good, but which also makes the point of the obedience required by these parties.

All it takes is one person to say enough is enough.

Dear Mr Tapp,

Criticism is easy - anyone can do that.
It doesn't take much effort.

However, offering solutions, and especialy - what you
would do as an Independent candidate who intends
to run for office is more difficult.

You start threads - attacking the Labor Party -
but what are you offering to fix things.
What policies do you have?

It isn't enough for a political candidate to
"call a spade a spade," as you put it.
That's not going to attract votes for you - if
that's your intention in coming onto this Forum.

And neither will condemnation of things - unless
you offer some solutions.

You can't keep on doing what you're doing and expect
different results - and obviously you haven't been
very successful in your strategy to date.

You need to re-think your tactics and approach - otherwise
you're simply wasting your time and money.

One my find things strange, but here in the Hunter we have the Newcastle Herald.

This is of course a newspaper but do you think it provides the complete news , my answer is no as i have to search for the complete news.
This is labor territory and the newspaper is classed as the labor daily.

Policies and this is a subject which i have discussed with people.

I am here to represent you not the other way around.
So foxy what are your policies.
Now i could tell you what i believe but that is not the point as it you who should be represented, and not you representing a party hack, who then represents a party.

I dont need to re think my tactics as i have been posting for a while now and i have seen what goes on.

If i do not like something or believe something is wrong i will say so, so for those here what are your policies and do you want somebody to give you lip service like you get or someone who will fight.

Think of it this way,
One would hope that if you were to run for your community you would stand up for them, that is what i expect.

Dear Mr Tapp,

I'm not running for any office.

You are.

And you have not given me a satisfactory reply as
to why anyone should vote for you.

As I said - criticism is easy - People don't need
someone to speak on their behalf - they need someone
who has policies or a plan that will fix things - or certainly
improve what's currently on offer - if you can't offer
solutions and can only point out what's wrong - you're
in the wrong business.

You can't keep clinging defensively to that tired
argument that "I will point out what's wrong, and speak
on your behalf!" How do I know you're qaulified to do
that? You haven't given one good reason why anyone
in their right mind should support you.

Mouthing the same words is getting a bit silly!

These people are there to represent us but if you prefer what to be told instead of thinking then vote for the political parties.

These are there for those who are to lazy to stand up for themselves.
So since government is about the people the people should have a say, we pay their wages so they work for us.

Now foxy

what are your policies.

Or is it just easier to stick you head in the sand like belly does and say yes master i will do as you say.

Dear Mr Tapp,

I'm sorry, you don't make any sense.

Keep doing what you're doing -
and you'll keep getting what you've got!

I bid you Good Day Sir!

tapp: << I am here to represent you not the other way around. >>

That would only be true if Foxy lived in whatever electorate you decide to waste your deposit in standing for.

<< So foxy what are your policies >>

You're the one who's standing for election, and I haven't read anything resembling a policy from you. All you seem to be able to do is prattle on endlessly about how bad Labor is.

I hold my hand up, my post here was meant to be a continuation to one in another thread, hast makes for waste.
And I understand gee how I do, TAPP The Australian Peoples party, is anti both sides.
Early on however he found out who I was, and started to use my belief as his wall to write the graffiti on.
My silly reply, thinking I could talk to him, reason with him was a waste too.
Some grab TAPP as a fellow traveler, anti ALP and give him room to paint, but TAPP hates all equally.
He true, honestly, want only independents in the house.
he Ran against Combet,I will will not report on his campaign, got the number one spot on a big ticket.
Think they call it donkey vote.
got over 2% too.
Newcastle is a Labor town, it is in most ways a town I deeply admire.
I earned even more of TAPPS spite by supporting a candidate not Picked by the rank and file.
The inference is I betrayed the R and F, NO the retiring member good bloke nice wife, wanted to pick an even more left candidate, I agreed we did not need such.
Those branch members TAPP would have us think got murdered returned to their Branch's after the election.
See slander and lies work, some think the bloke has understanding and knowledge he does not
Labor, NSW Labor has forgotten Newcastle, we now have a leader but no team, however, understanding we could not win the election if it was a raffle I will continue to vote for the best of a dreadful two, not even worse some independent who is not in control of even their own thoughts.

Now Belly if i am correct it was due to jodie McKay the person who beleive no means yes.

That these members who disagreed where expelled

Party purge hits Labor heartland
Author: By GABRIEL WINGATE-PEARSE
Date: 14/04/2007
Words: 421
Source: NCH
Publication: Newcastle Herald
Section: News
Page: 3


Then when combet was placed in the newcastle branch i believe was taken out of the equation due to the peodophile insurgance within this branch, and still the whistleblower from this is still fighting.

Or does she tell lies too.

So this person has a list of all those who helped cover this up for so long so just another day in the labor party.

Now i am ex army and i was there to represent the people and governments, but i was not there to supports the actions of the labor party and the unions with such actions in the heiner affair.

These actions are

The hiding of child sexual abuse
the hiding of child sexual assaults

So if beely is agreieved well stff.

Your party that you support and their actions, so in fact what really does that say about the type of people that support and hide these actions.

Oh my heart bleads pumping blood about my body, the donkey vote, well it seems to hurt belly more than me.

At least i stood for my values, and what i believed in, not what some abusive, undemocratic, peodophile hiding party beleives in.

There you go now you know why.

This should make you all happy and belly since that is what he wanted me to say.

TAPP some of what you said baffles me, no idea what you wanted to say.
Lets look at it and understand each other, I do not want to forever clash or talk with you.
A last few posts today, then lets give each other a wide berth.
I picked this up in your post, you refuse to say it, you understand those members did come back to the party.
Unlike you TAPP I often give my party a serve, Newcastle will too, this election, kissing children in the last month will not cover the neglect.
Will you say the nick name of that would be candidate for that seat?
Or tell of his 5 years in Cuba?
I fought hard to get a balanced member we got one, I will find another seat to work in next election, believe me not that one.
TAPP you go very low in the pedophile bit, but I forgive you, see I know you know no better.
Late at night your posts get more unfocused is it drink bloke?
I give you the freedom to hate me and my party, to hate the union movement you came from, but lets us not forever insult the forum, keep me out of your posts, please.
Rudd clearly will win the next election .
In NSW conservatives leaderless as they are will romp it in and govern for a decade but if you won a seat, in any house your impact would be nil, it takes more than unfocused hate to change anything.

Belly

I went low in that peodophile bit.

Well if you think i went low what does that make of labor the unions and their supporters.

Now i wasnt going to go there but hey , with people wanting to know why i have complete disgust with the labor party now they know.

I will fight when you lot talk big, but in fact it shows to what lenghts you loy will go to for power.

I have no ptoblem with standing up and fighting and if you, the labor party, unions or any other party dont like it stiff.

Now you might like to go the bleeding heart tactics but remember i will always be around.

And your assumption for me having to much drink, well havnt you got that wrong, special occasions only then just a couple of beers.

It seems sleep is a problem many of us have , but guessing games belly.
who ,what,when and why.

This is my last post to or referring to you TAPP.
Never once walked away from a fight, but I must do so here.
This forum is bigger than you or me.
It deserves better.
I Understand you are lost.
And that your shameful inference unions or the ALP
Hide such filth, not for the first time you infer they may even be involved .
I will not feed your illness, see if you can be man enough to leave me out of your diatribes.
Get well bloke truly get well.

I will post a link for the Heiner affair, so all those here can judge forthemselves.

I will stand by what i say and fight.
I will not stick my head in the sand and hide or imagine it did not happen.

http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/goss/
http://justiceproject.net/content/default.asp

One Law For Us, Another For Them

You cannot have an administration of justice that has to back away from something, either because of the size of it, the cost of it, or the profile of some of the people involved. If you do that , you don't have a community …

West Australian Crown Prosecutor Ron Davies who successfully prosecuted two prominent individuals involved in the Rothwells Bank collapse.

On 5 March 1990, the Queensland State Cabinet authorised the destruction of all evidence taken by an inquiry into a State-run youth detention centre (for some inmates it was a prison, for others, a controlled environment).

The documents involved were all shredded 18 days later.

At the time Cabinet made its decision it was aware that the documents were being sought by a firm of lawyers for legal action. The responsible department had been advised via no less than 13 separate communications that the documents were required by the lawyers (and even advised that the material should not be destroyed). A District Court action was specifically mentioned and indeed there were, potentially, four different kinds of actions that might have been pursued by those seeking access to the documents.

According to one former Minister, at the time the decision was made to destroy the material, Cabinet had been aware "in broad terms" that the documents contained information about child abuse, and because the matter had reached the level of Cabinet, the matters must have been serious.

Indeed we now know they were serious and included, at least, information about the orchestrated pack-rape of a 14-year-old girl in care* and the torture of a 15- year-old girl.