Dear King Hazza,

I don't have the time to respond to you this morning
in great detail - as I'm about to go to a Meeting -
however, just as a bit of quick information - you
may be surprised to learn that Malcolm Fraser in his
retirement takes the lowest amount from the Government
as a former PM. John Howard takes the highest (in the
millions). That alone is something worth noting - don't
you think?

Anyway, got to run ...

King Hazza I do have the time to respond to you.
But will not full stop.
Many,maybe most who post here are too young to have seen this part of history, well worth a look.
Fraser like any pm has a story and it remains unfinished, he still has time to write other chapters.
My interest in politics is strong, my understanding may not be but it is far in advance of KH.
My youthful war of words with big Mal is long ago, today I see it differently.
yes he did wrong Kerr/Curr too but I understand my party of those days helped unseat themselves.
Interesting reading and like that old tree long gone on a hill outside Picton NSW while I live I grow/learn.

Foxy- actually according to an investigation reported in (I believe the Herald, back in 2006/2007) found that between all of the retired PMs, Mal's retirement expenses were by far the highest, with Keating in second.
Although I could take your word that since then he has toned down- and moreso that Howard would have easily overtaken him.

Belly, you do realise that between the two of us I'm the only person actually bringing up specific details to elaborate my stance, while you just keep insisting I don't 'get it'?
So far, he only has two credible *attempts* to make things better- extending Aboriginal land rights (continuing from Whitlam's work), and SBS. But so far against all his stuff-ups and misdeeds, and some of his less-than-comendable attitudes in various areas, they just don't quite redeem him. His newfound armchair second-person 'compassion' doesn't help at all.

I think I'll leave it at that until some enlightening information listing some good deeds he did for the broad Australian citizenry come to light.

King Hazza your views are your right.
And we will disagree often.
But even I once a foe of the man, can find much more than that in his favor.
While looking back is different than those heated days I remember the rumored reason for him appearing in that hotel lobby without his pants.
He was very active in condemning South Africa at that time.
Rumor had it he may have been set up, he may well have been.
No one could be more unimpressed than me by his manner of speech, but to judge him on that alone.
You throw stones at my ALP and at my views about a past conservative pm.
Can you see the humor in that?
I had intended to ignore your remarks but challenge you to show the same balance my posts have.
It is true, my party started on its journey to the middle of Australian politics under Withlam.
He was remember responsible for taking much power from the left.
He lost control of some in his Cabernet, and we fell on our own swords as a result.
Bob Hawk governed well, with support much like todays for Rudd.
Rudd again has stepped us into what was once Liberal ground.
Like it or lump it Conservatives have lost direction and leadership, along with the next election.
I am far more than happy with both the evolution of Labor and the lost nature of conservatives.

Belly again you have failed to answer any of my questions, provide a redeemingly 'nice' attribute about Malcolm beyond his newfound reduced hostility to the labor party compared to what he used to harbour, nor provide anything remotely as specific as I have in elaborating your case, and I'm afraid I'll just have to leave it at that for now and let all of our previous posts in this topic speak for themselves.

But once again I'll ask, what is 'nice' about Malcolm?

Malcolm's dislike for the Man of Steel resonates with a few.